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Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
September 2002 Edition
"I believe the scientific evidence points to a young
earth. I've been studying geology for nearly 20 years. At first I was an
old earther and couldn't understand how anyone could say the earth was
less than 10,000 years old. The longer I studied the evidence the more I
was swayed over to the young earth side." "Christians should understand that we are the ones
with the largest bullseye painted on our backs. We are the #1 enemy of the
Illuminati and are targeted for special destruction, and
elimination." "I heard on KLOVE just recently some statistics that
support the Christian principle thinking... "next will come a parade of atheists falling all over
themselves to tell all of us here just how happy and self-actualized they
are and how much private charitable work they do and how moral they are
and how they have all been happily married and faithful for dozens of
years and how they are terrified of the U.S. becoming a "cotton
mather-esque" puritanical theocracy and that's why they are here,
selflessly dedicating themselves to being internet keyboard commandos to
fight the horrid evil of Christianity.(hint:someone is lying!)" "True Christians hate abortion even as God does for
the abomination that it is. "But Christianity is not a religion. It's a faith
based on the idea of having a personal relationship with God." [Commenting on a story where a guy ordered his stepdaughter to beat up her little brother, who died as a result] "God instituted the death penalty. It was
instituted with such evil murderers in mind. Both parents should receive
the death penalty. And WHY was the 10 year old girl NOT arrested and taken
to juvenile hall? She, at age 10, was well aware she was killing her
brother to have kicked and punched him for that length of time. I suggest
she sit in the step-father's lap in the electric chair." "I think it's a good move to abolish evolution in
schools--if they take out that factor, maybe then the scientific 'dark
ages' will arrive, but that may in turn lead to a spiritual revival!" "you can cloak yourself in a fantasy world that there is no god, and live without god that's okay thats your choice" "Of course Harry Potter isn't about Christianity. The
reasons it opposes Christianity is that it supports magic. Magic is bad
according to Christians. In the old testament you were commanded to kill
anyone who was a witch. So you don't think kids really get into Harry
Potter adn try to do magic and stuff? Ok, that's you opinion. All I want
to ask is when is the last time you worked with kids? L[ord]O[f]T[he]R[ings]
is alright because magic isn't it's main theme and if you know anything
about the books the only people who could use magic were semi-gods sent
from the west (or god) to help battle Sauron. It's the Christian idea of
God sending the Holy Spirit to empower and help us in our daily struggle
against Satan." "God CAN be empirically observed! He rose from the
dead! What else do you need?" [Arguing for the veracity of the Columbine martyrdom story about Cassie Bernall after it was exposed as an urban legend] "Hmm.. Maybe things we THINK are PROVEN, are really
HOAXES. "The incontrovertible evidence that supports the
earth is round is only slightly more available to me than the evidence
supporting claims of the apostles and their risen Christ." [On Noah bringing little baby dinosaurs on the ark to
conserve space] "And why not? There's no reason not to bring aboard
juveniles instead of outgrown grandfathers. Their life expectancy would be
greater anyway." [Advice to a woman whose husband is serving an 11 year
jail sentence] "For richer, for poorer. For better or for
worse." has got to mean something. You both vowed to stay with each
other no matter what. If you love him, stay with him. If you don't love
him, you should still stay with him. It's a commitment. [On atheists] "They're afraid of having to
keep their zippers done up till marriage... [On the Canaanites, who in the Old Testament were slaughtered, men, women and children, by the invading Hebrews] "The people against God was actually on Gods land and
thus was TRESSPASSING, and infact it says that if a person is
tresspassing, you are allowed to defend your home even if death is needed
for protection- it is not considered murder. No sin" [On the Bible] "never in history has it been
scientificlly determined to have a single flaw. "looking at rocks with instruments that we made with
our own so called intelligence with nothing to actually compare anything
to. "If you learn from your parents that apples are
purple, and that you beleive the color red is purple and pruple is red,
you beleive that it is true. *** Post of the Week for September 29-October 5, 2002 *** [The fundie definition of 'freethinking'!] "It
wasn't choosing to be a free thinker, it was choosing to be free of
thinking. "With the female issue, Satan is decieving you and
trying to convince you to take down your shield and be struck by a
poisonis arrow that will cause you to feel great bliss..." [Replying to 'if someone had a gun to your kid's head and asked if you believed in God'] "Trust in God. All things work for his Glory and it
will be best in the end. Thus, never deny God. If your child is killed he
won't have to go through the hardships of life and is with the lord so
double bonus to him." "Recorded religion started with Judaism. That's a
fact. "By recorded I meant with a written text. [To a person complaining of pain from surgery] "Your
a chick so fair enough... "No one, without God, can love someone purely. Human
love has motives and personal desires. God's love is unconditional. "Are you a neo-nazi? [Helpful advice for the depressed!] "Why would
you want to kill yourself and spend eternity in hell with satan?" [After it was pointed out that the 'separation from God' version of hell is logically impossible if he's omnipresent] "No, you being present with God cause He's
omnipresent even though you don't believe in Jesus is the stupidest thing
ever." "Plus, the bible hasn't yet been proven wrong or
fallable. Yes there have been several links and websites saying they have,
but shoot guys, there is a website proving that there wasn't a
haullacost(sp?) and that all the jews fronted the 6 million deaths to make
the germans look bad. If people can be so easily thrown by that one little
thing from a huge action that happened, then of course you will be thrown
and lead to beleive something about something so minor and detailed." "No true Christian leads a genocide. Some might call
the Crusades to mind. The Crusades was started by the Catholic Church,
which is an evil heiarchy based off the Bible" "If there was no God, there'd be no atheists." "Excuse me! Uninformed or uneducated Christians
making false statements about science?!? [To another Christian who was defending evolution]
"Just more of your stupid atheistic reasons to try to hide from God. [On his unorthodox ideas regarding the Great Pyramid being constructed by God himself] "But I will concede the point that I could be wrong
on any of the things I have said. I just don't think I am wrong. I do not
believe I am smarter, but I do think I have better insights than the
majority." "THE RIDICULOUS theory of Evolution is NOT part of
science it is a evil religion created by satan to get people lost. "Evolution is anti-Christian nonsense and an affront
to the one true Creator God. "as I said I don't like evolution, but I don't try to
argue the facts in it because I don't know them" [On Jehovah's Witnesses] "I don't know if i'm
wrong, but i heard that they believe that only 144 000 people go to heaven
because it's literaly wrote as this somewhere in the bible, while milions
of them still anoying people knocking at their door trying to push their
retarded beliefs and convert while it seems clear that they're just a
bounch of lost dumbfuck who better likes to see their childrens die than
to get blood transfusion..." "I'd be happy to discuss Gould or Dawkins with you.
But first you must tackle evolution's problems with the laws of
thermodynamics.....this could take you a while.... [After being asked why he even thinks the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies to evolution at all] "As a "professed" expert on the subject of
evolution I noticed that you avoided some of the finer constructs of this
thread. So be it. I have neither the time or desire to jump through your
hoops or to satisfy your need to regurgitate your ideological
understanding (or misunderstanding) concerning the laws of
themodynamics." [Replying to 'if none-Christian faith healers can achieve
similar results as Christian ones, it would seem to point to something
other than the Holy Spirit doing the actual work. A trancendent universal
force independent of specific religion, or ancestral spirits, perhaps?'] God is black and white ladies and Gentleman, and if you
are not saved by Christ, then you are against Him and doing satans work
whether you want to or not. *** Post of the Week for September 22-28, 2002 *** "Yes, Ghandi went to Hell. We are not saved by our
works [Replying to accusations of using circular logic]
"better than man made logic [After another very specific prediction of the Big Bang
theory was confirmed] "i dont see how this proves the big bang, "Why do we have AIDS? B/c Africans refuse to abide by
God's laws." "Most religions except for Christianity, Judaism, and
Islam can be "Dinosaurs and U.F.O.s are in there if you know where
to look. DOn't ask me cause I don't study the bible and don't have the
patience to look up stuff in the Hard cover, My digital Bible is at
Church, and My PC bible is on the other computer. All things being equal I
rather read Playboy." "Nor do I belive we only achieved space travel in the
last 50 years...Come on! you expect me to belive that? "amen--may God bless you with the grace to be less
scientific and more open and submissive to His Will." "the only proofs that count for anything will be when
God proves Himself to you as He judges your immortal soul--i can see you
know--whimpering...." [on child molesting priests] "there may be more yet
to be removed as claims are brought, but let's face it folks. 2% of the US
priesthood is not a large percentage" [on Landover Baptist, a parody site] "please don't
use landover as a reference for anything--you know what kind of site that
is--it's crude ,rude and ludicrous--a put on -- a sham--- a spoof -- the
worst example of freedom of speech" [On Reinhard Bonnke, a faith healer] "i have some
booklet that the guy helped write or something on the holy spirit - its
pretty good [On why people don't believe in God] "It's because
they cannot think for themselves!" "Why did God have babies murdered? Well, I'm not sure
what this is in reference to. I know of the firstborns in Egypt being
killed (not murdered, though), and this was a specific curse for the
Pharaoh. [In a thread about the Times article "Is God
Dead?"] "Seems to me Christianity brought Western Europe out
of the Dark Ages into the High Middle Ages." [In response to several posts answering his misconceptions about evolution] "I think the intent of the question was, "If the
first cell capable of sexual reproduction was an 'outie', where did it
find an 'innie'?"" [On evidence of God's existence] "Even if we did come
up with things that you would find acceptable, you'd still reject
it." "All that academic education is usless "Being an evilutionist doesn't automaticaly make you
a bigot, but it does [Replying to study on out-of-body experiences that successfully reproduced them with just electrode stimulation] "Just because when you touch a certain part of the
brain with electrical stimulation the person reports a certain sensation,
doesn't mean that it's just a sensation, or that it was caused just by the
electrical stimulation. It could just as easily be assumed that when you
stimulate that part of the brain, the soul leaves the body (giving one the
sensation of drifting up toward the ceiling)......." "Think about it: The Bible has laid out all morals.
There is no moral situation you can describe that cannot be solved or
remedied by the morals in the Bible. How then can you say you follow your
own morals?" "Did you all know that or justice system is based on
the precepts of the Bible? It's true. The Bible was around much longer
than our modern justice system, and in Leviticus God maps out the plan for
judges. "How do you figure that they aren't a cult , when
they are leading people to believe in something, some other god, than the
Lord Jesus Christ, have you ever done a study on cults? Do you even know
what a cult is?" "And if you think christians persecute Jews, lets not
go there when it comes to the Jews killing Christ. "is say screw science.the closest and most believable
answer i found is that there is a god and he magically zapped us into
existence.i dont believe in us evolving from monkeys and i dont believe
that a huge sun exploded and created the universe.why?i dunno i just dont
believe those.will i be flamed for posting my opinion?" "You cannot compare the almighty God and Hitler
because it is not a fair comparision. In fact, there is no comparison to
God for God is righteous in all his ways and we are not. If it were not
for the incredible mercy of God, we all would be dead and rightfully
so." [Responding to allegations that God acts immorally in the
Bible] "God cannot sin. What is sin for us is OK for God. God can do
whatever He wants, He's GOD!" [Continuing] "Because we are human, and He is GOD!
God can do whatever He wants and it will be in perfect Justice and Truth,
even if it is sinful for people to do." "Don't athiest always point fingers at Christanity
and mention the diversity of beliefs as proof there isn't a god? I wish to
do the same thing to them as proof that there is a god..." "The US Constitution gave the Federal government no
legal right to attack the Confederate States of America, yet they attacked
anyway. Since anything not specifically granted to the Federal government
is a right granted to the States, the Federal government was wrong in
attacking the Confederacy. Therefore, doesn't that make Abe Lincoln a cold
blooded murderer when he used the Union troops in order to force the
Confederacy back into the Union?" [On bi-racial marriage] "I think there are two races:
Adam's race and Christ's race of new creatures. (And we ought to marry
within our own race)" [In discussion on Biblical atrocities, replying to 'If God told you to slaughter a baby would you do it?'] "if God walked through my front door and told me that
I was suppose to help in wiping out in an entire nation then yes i would "By and large I believe that God created the races
for a reason. And I believe that the races belong together-white with
white, black with black, red with red, yellow with yellow. White should be
looking for a white marriage and black should be looking for a black
marriage--get my drift??" *** Post of the Month for September 2002 *** "It's quite simple. If God wanted interacial
marriages, then whites would have been born to blacks, Indians into
orientals, blacks into Indians, whites into orientals, and so on and so
on. "Satan will interfere to children's literature,
movies and cartoons because their souls are vulnerable. The soul of a
child is innocent while adults are corrupted. Innocense in a child is
fragile because it has not matured, satan wants to break the innocense to
corrupt it. Since satan is dirty, to him seeing something clean irritates
him. "Are you out of your mind [?] How could you
say Wicca a new invented belief and perhaps a fantasy as humanely and
loving? I guess you don't know that the devil is willing to do anything to
make you believe that other than Christ is ok. I suppose as you are a non
believer it's very common the way you think. But for Christians we have to
refuse any teachings/beliefs that are not according to the Bible and
Jesus." [Replying to questions of whether she even studied any other religion] "I will not read or study (indepth) about other
religions. I know the basic beliefs, but that is about it. I have too much
to learn in the Bible.....you never learn it all!" "God is our creator and He has every right to do what
is best in His intentions and for our sake. Like I said He is the creator
therefore we are His creations. Hence He can do whatever He wants. "Because Falwell and Robertson speak on issues
Biblically, they are hate mongers??? [On The Little Mermaid] "This is an aweful cartoon,
with spells and evil throughout! I have let them watch it.....so I am
guilty of going against my "strict side" on this. "The scooby doo cartoons, the old ones...are fine.
The ghosts are just some "old man or woman" dressed up as a
ghost. The Animated movies are bad....in my opinion. I watched 10 minutes
of one and it had a warlock casting a spell on the gang." [On Harry Potter] "Don't think that for one minute
that the devil won't try and sugar coat things. I've read all of the
series, mainly because it was befor eI was saved. I didn't think anything
was wrong with them, until Jesus opened up my eyes. "Our life here is nothing, I would rather be bit by a
rabid dog with rabies.....than to pollute my mind. My soul is at stake
putting "fantasy" or "witchcraft" in my
mind.....pretty soon you start heading backwards from Christ instead of
forward with Him. As a Christian I will not pollute my mind and risk my
soul. I know this was directed at Keren.....but I agree with her. I am not
saying that if you have watched or read H[arry]P[otter] that
you will go to hell, I am saying one thing leads to another and another,
then pretty quick you are away from Christ." "My point from the beginning was that STD's are God's
way of preventing pre-marital sexual relations. My point also was STD's
are God's way of preventing homosexuals from having sex." "The aids disease spreads itself through pre-marital
unprotected sex among the homosexual/heterosexual/bi population,
intrevenous drugs, blood transfusions etc all of which God is
against." "The bible is exactly clear on everything, without
exception." "Look, I'm not going to argue with you. God exists.
Deal with it. Read the Bible, all the proof of God is contained in that
Book." "Please pray that God sends angels to get him [the
mechanic] working on my car FAST.I like driving, i miss speeding and
sort of want to go to that job to laugh at all the strikers and eat candy
in production." [On how a non-Christian 'condemns himself' to hell instead of going to heaven] "How can he stand such concepts as love and
compassion, tolerance and glory when he is in such a state of heightened
ignorance on behalf of his own diabolically perverse mindset?" [I wonder if this argument also applied to Native Americans?] "If * God created life on other planets and didnt
tell us about them, then its a pretty sure bet He didnt want us to
interact with them or vice versa. So....what does it matter if there is or
there isnt?" "Do aliens exist? No. If they do, they are on
borrowed time. A new heavens, and a new earth are going to be created.
This universe will be destroyed." "Just because the universe is going to be distroyed
doesent mean that other races can't be saved and that the rapture can't
happen symaltaneously on other plannets, and the rapture wont happen
untill every nation has had a chance to hear the gospel, a nation is a
group of people, if aliens exiist they wopuld be a nation or a collection
of nations, prehaps it is our duty to reach out to them? (Prehaps
missionary journeys into outer space sounds farfetched, but its not
impossible and the bible doesent say anything against it does it?)" "We are living in perilous times and people are
heading to hell on a bullet train. Our work is cut out for us. Aliens are
demons! Deception is rampant. There are New Agers that commune with these
"aliens" daily. It's a sign of our times. Supernatural spiritual
experiences are on the rise as well as God's Spirit being poured out.
Don't be fooled by this drivel. God wouldn't have us to be in the dark
about something such as other races/nations of people in other
galaxies." "Personally, I think you have no idea how loving God
is and how painful hell is going to be." "Atheists are tough to beat though, I will admit.
Since this is an atheist world, it's easy for an atheist to win a debate
over a Christian because he has a lot more sources. But if you choose your
gameplan correctly, you can easily take them down." "Hell is not literal flames but it will be a horrible
place. But fine, if you want to go there, fine. How anyone can reject such
a loving and merciful God is beyond me." [Replying to an atheist who wouldn't respect any god that eternally condemned people] "I wish I could be there to see you hold your
pride." "He has been more than fair, God gave his Son for
you. In fact, you should deserve death for offending a holy God." "But since Muslim isn't mainstream and I have no
knowledge or contact with it, it is slim that it is a correct belief. "After reading these posts and examining the
evidence, I have found that it was a global flood. Who care if there's any
scientific evidence? God said it, I believe it. Period." "The Fllod is not a myth, scientific evidence or not.
God could have erased all the scientific evidence if He wanted to, because
He is God!" "God must have erased the evidence of the Flood, so
the only place we could find out about it is in the Bible." [After being told that would make God a deceiver who made believing in the Bible difficult on purpose] "God does not want anyone to go to hell, but that's
beside the point. I don't know why God erased the evidence, but He did.
Maybe He wanted us to believe on faith instead of trying to come up with
proof of what happened." "God did not erase the evidence, God simply jumbled
it up with a pole shift at the time of Babel. "The Flood is not a myth, the Flood is true. There
are no myths in God's Word." [Let's go back to the golden age of spirit theories of disease and sacrificing virgins to volcanoes!] "The IDers are quite correct, naturalism adds nothing
to science, makes no specific predictions, generates no theories,
contributes nothing to method. It is so devoid of scientific content that
it doesn't even make sense to call it a 'science-stopper.' Its simply
irrelevant. It does serve well for what I call an 'intellectual cudgel.'
We can use it to browbeat recalcitrant religionists over the head
with." "Technology is nothing more than an attempt to make
our lives easier (a distraction from work) and all science (save the
medical field) is nothing more than an attempt to explain what God has
done (a distraction from just saying 'thank you' and going on with your
worship)." [Solid advice on when you have doubts of Christianity being true!] "Lucifer questioned God's authority. "If the big bang is true, then why don't we blow up
parts to cars so they can build themselves?" [The definitive disproof of aliens!] "And once more
as a remider, read Genesis 1. God created the earth first and then the
heavens and then the sun, moon and stars. This is important. The universe
as we see it was not even made until God formed the earth. "What is the use of arguing about if God would exist
if the Bible was false? God exists, and the Bible is true. There is no
reason to consider non-reality - God is a reality." [On a different flood legend predating Genesis by
centuries] "Regardless, though - that stone tablet was not inspired
by God. For all you know, it could be just another myth." "How do I know the Bible is true? That's a whole
'nother topic, but in short ... 'I believe, therefore I know.' It is
true.... and it can't be proven wrong, and never has, and never will. "All objects whose creation has been observed have
been man-made, and require design and intelligence. Even a ball of mud
requires design and intelligence. We've never observed something being
made without design, intelligence, or method." [After being told Christians can accept science just fine]
"In anyway, why should any Chrstian compromise his/her beliefs to
make them fit into the 'scientific truth'? Didn't Christianity come first?
When the Mayans were conqurered by los conquistadores, they integrated
their religious beliefs into Catholicalism. As a result, their religion
was basically destroyed. We see the similar happening right here." "Reading infidelic literature to condition your mind
in to thinking God isn't real does not progress your knowledge with
truth." "I believe whole heartedly that God hates. Do I think
he hates all muslims? Absolutely not. If God hates, he is justifed by
doing so, because He is just and perfect and see things in which we
cannot." [Replying to 'You think God hates those descended from
Esau? Even little babies?'] "I say he hates who he will hate because
he is almighty God. PRaise Him till our toungues fall from our
mouths!" "God loves us so so so much you may not hear him but
he does tell us that all the time you shouldn't be questioning you
beliefs." [Divine threesome?] "Sex is an expression of love
involving a man, woman and God." "Unbelieving parents do not have a covenant with God
and are in his disfavor. Their children would not be under a
"spiritual blanket" and would face the same punishment as their
parents. *** Post of the Week for September 15-21, 2002 *** "Sometimes God lets the righteous/innocent die or get
hurt so that his punishments can come upon the wicked. If God were to not
let the people on the plane die, the hijackers wouldn't have hijacked the
plane and crahsed it etc. Thus God wouldn't have been able to send them to
*hell because they didn't do anything bad." [On 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'] "An outrageous claim is saying that "God does
not exist" when in fact He does." "My point is that Islam as an organiziation has
historically proven to be dangerous to the national security of a
country." "What Christians are doing the exact same thing as
what Islam teaches? Could you name one and if you do are they: "We, as Christians, have a legal right to have our
employees pray. We are not violating their 'freedom of religion' (or
freedom to go to Hell in some cases) by praying to Jesus." "I agree that WE (that is Christians) should not
punish others simply because they are of different beliefs, that is not
our job. I believe we should be reaching out to them with the Truth about
Jesus Christ.. "Everyone who has read the bible knows what God
thinks of other religions and I'm sorry if it offends but I'll side with
God before I side with the constitution." "I have always believed that anyone who worships
Islam/Muslims "In fact STD's are a divine process to prevent
homosexual overpopulation" [On infants who get STDs like AIDS from their mothers] "Yes, they are punished for the sins of their
parents." [After being sarcastically asked if a child born to an
infected married woman would avoid 'punishment for her sins'] "Well,
I guess the child wouldn't get an STD." "Do I really need to explain it? It sort of speaks
for itself doesn't it? God doesn't like homosexuality and since there is
no law against it He punishes it with Aids and other STD's." [After being told lots of Christians accept evolution as God's method of creation] "A million people could very well be wrong. Hundreds
of millions of people claim that Islam is true, does that prove it
true?" "To be honest, when I read the scripture, it only
makes questions come to mind, so I don't read it much." "Darwin's evolution says that the earth and
everything on it was created through random mutation and natural
selection." "The bible says that all men were created equal" [So that's where the Founding Fathers got the idea!] [Let's go back to the middle ages!] "And back on the
mind control topic, education could be considered a form of mind
control." [Replying to 'I have morals (I am a pagan).'] "Great,
then you are the person who can explain to me exactly how to have strong
morals without their having a religious underpinning. So...?" [On pagan magic] "Please demonstrate the validity of
your religion. Please cast one of your magical spells on me and turn me
into a toad. LOL! [Sarcastically replying to a person who wanted to unite all religions in a utopian world] "If you want to unite all religions let Pakistan and
India engage in nuclear war and no more Hindus. Get a Palestinian to sneak
a nuke into Israel and take himself along with Judaism out. Drop a bomb on
Russia and blame the Chinese... no more Buddhists. Let the Americans take
care of Islam in the Middle East. Threaten to kill all other people who
worship idolaters and either kill them or force them to convert. Ask God
to destroy all atheists. Then we have a united world religion." [So much for 'under God' being compatible with any
religion] "I hate how everyone is all God Bless America, but when you
mention Jesus they freak out. Like what other God are we talking
about?" "I sure could see whay Satan possessed the soul of an
Englishman(Sir Charles Darwin)to create the evil faith Evolution. [Here's why Genesis should be taken literally or not at
all] "Actually, creationists avoid the God of the gaps argument.
That's why I reject Evolution being put into the Bible. The more Man tries
to explain the world without God, the more the Bible must fit Man's ideas
-- thus becoming a God of the gaps." [Count the clichés and logical fallacies!] "But
anyway, I can prove. I only can remember a few things, since there is so
much proof. Here's a list of some stuff: "No, no, humans are smarter than animals. If we
werent, humans would have done many insane things like killing others when
upset..." "Lungfish ARE amphibians. True fish don't have
lungs!" [Yes, kids, some people think the US is in moral decline because the South lost the civil war!] "Since this country was based off of God you could
trace the decline to the War of Northern agression. The South was God
fearing. Gen. Lee based everything off of God." [Sarcastically commenting on pacifism] "No,
absolutely no violence under ANY circumstance. That includes being raped
by some gay man... the pacifist victim shall not defend himself, for it is
unGod like behaviour." [Feel that brotherly love towards their own!]
"Whoever claims to be christian but does not believe their is a hell,
well, all I got to say is I am sure someday it will be proven to
you." [After being asked for rational reasons why homosexuality is unnatural, given that it's found throughout nature] "It seem you are trying to explian sin in a logical
manner. Sin is not logical, if it where we could explain it away and the
need for Jesus to die on the cross would be for nothing. But for those who
like the head knolwedge and bible reading, Leviticus 18:22 says that
homosexual acts are an abomination." "... dominance behavior is not homosexuality. I have
seen female dogs 'hump' each other, and that is obviously not sex, it is
dominance." [After being told some Christians don't believe in demons]
"Really?? Wow I don't get around much I guess. It is clear to me as I
read my bible that demons exist. I think it is as plain as day. No
confusion whatsoever." *** Post of the Week for September 8-14, 2002 *** [On Ouija boards] "On the one hand we need to be
careful not to allow ourselves to be enslaved to superstition. It is just
a board and a piece of plastic. But on the other hand we need to be aware
that such devices can be used by demonic spirits to deceive and
enslave." "Be very careful with those things. I have a friend
who complains that "Nothing that Matel makes can be evil!" [On New Age and Pagan religions] "They can't prove
anything because their 'gods' or whatever they bow to don't exist and
fighting with established religions about the existence of our God is
futile because they will never understand things like true biblical
faith." "This entire premise, that God will send you to hell,
is wrong. People choose their own final destination. You can as easily
choose to go to hell or heaven, all you need to do is accept the gift of
salvation that is freely offered. If fear or your ego prevents you from
doing so...Don't blame God. You made the choice on your own. "he doesn't send anyone to hell they march proudly
into it" [Commenting on Christianity being, in comparison to others, a very young religion] "You forget that Adam was a christian and that before
the egyptians noah and abraham were christians." [On atheists who received no answer from God and concluded he doesn't exist] "Your subjective experience is hardly conclusive.
Thanks, though, for sharing." [On the apparent intelligence of atheists] "Also, I
wouldn't rely too much on the heathen. Just cause they 'sound' smart don't
mean they are. IQ tests are the true nature of intelligence. Einstein IQ
was 160, Marylin Monroe IQ was 168." [On the Great Pyramid] "And the Egyptians did not
build it, God did." [Replying to 'The Egyptians built it'] "Why do you
think so?" "Hitler was no worse than you or I. "And it is not for the individual to determine if a
war with Iraq would be just. God appointed the governments to make those
decisions." [This creationist slander of Charles Darwin just keeps getting more pathetic by the minute!] "Apart from the fact that Darwin was actually a
lawyer sent to to foreign lands by the British revolutionaries will the
soul purpose of disproving the creationalist theory. He actually formed
his theory with little or no foundation and absolutely no knowledge
whatsoever regarding the biological make up of organisms. The idea was
that if religion could be disproved (even using an entirely 'made-up'
thesis) their would be no belief in divine rights (i.e. the belief that
the King/Queen is given their position by God) and therefore the Royal
Monarchy could be overthrown. In saying this I am not trying to convince
anyone that evolution is not real I am merely presenting you with FACTS
that are not taught in schools but can be uncovered with research into
this area so you can make up your own minds based on evidence from both
sides." [After being soundly refuted and given links to Darwin's *real* biography] "Yes, I too have read the same reports of Darwins
life as have been relayed by others on this thread. However I believe them
to be lies." [On the growing Jedi religion, based on the Force from
Star Wars] "What could possibly possess some one to base what they
believe to be reality from a concept in a childrens novel?!!" "Athiest's praise and worship themselves.
Evolutionist praise and worship Darwin, and evolution." [Pot, kettle, frying pan] "That is why I consider the
catholic church to be one big cult. No salvation outside of the catholic
church equals cult. Only they having the truth equals cult. One infallible
leader that is supposedly Christ's vicar on earth equals cult. It is such
a cult." [Eagerly expecting to see the heathens suffering from his cozy gig in heaven] "i thought there was gonna be some kinda big tv
screen placed in public area. how are we gonna able to witness the
tribulation? or are we not allow to view the deaths of ppl?" "charity is not for those who do not help themselves.
The Bible is clear...if you do not work you do not eat." "I haul my ass out of bed at 5 AM every morning so I
can make a living. Before I see a penny of it I pay taxes. [Sexual Repression for Dummies!] "So the solution is
to keep your eyes and mind pure (it works). Is there any way in which
sexual imagery is making its way into your life? Through pornography?
"Soft-core" stuff on TV? Magazines in check-out lanes? Lustful
gazes at girls at school/work? Fantasy? [Comparing masturbation to murder] "And to the bright
ones who say 'if it makes you feel good, why not.' So your saying, if I
kill someone, merely because I want to feel power, and feel alive/good...
It's ok, because what.. It makes me feel good? haha..." [Plus, it harms other people!] "Doing things that
feel good but are harmful to other people is a sign of immaturity. All you
need to do is grow up and it will be simple. "You think you aren't harming others but you are
treating whoever you are "lusting" after as an object. That is
disrespectful. Treating people disrespectfully is harmful to them, whether
you want to believe it or not. [It leads to rape, too!] "Your right, the urges you
have. If you are 13 years old, playing with yourself, trying to determine
whether or not it's right. What in the hell is going to happen 2 years
from now, if you can't control these urges you speak of, now?? Hmmm.... As
I said, 'Rape? WHO KNOWS.'" "Is it really harmful to someone to not have sex in
the middle of the freeway if they get a sudden urge while commuting?" [On natural sexual urges] "So if someone has a
"completely natural" urge to never exercise and eat five yummy
chickens and seven pints of ice cream every day it would be wrong to
resist? Telling that person to resist that urge would be "horrible
and repressive"?" [After being asked whether people who masturbate are True Christians™] "If you were asking me that question I would have to
say no your not. If you are a Christian, you are following the will of
God. Masturbating or any form of sexual misconduct is not following God's
law. If you disagree with me, then perhaps you should look up fornication
in the bible." "Thinking without the bible is like a carpenter
trying to work without his tools." "After all before most christians became christians
they were unbelievers just like you." "Ok so why do athiests use the phrase 'god damn it'
in the first place if they don't believe there actually is a God who
damns? Hypocrites..." [More objection to atheists using 'Oh my God!'] "the
fact that you are claiming possesion to a God you do not even believe in
and using that possession for, what we consider, a sinful purpose. And, in
a small way, you are mocking us because it isn't your God if you
understand what I'm saying." "it's very nice that you're trendy enough to be an
atheist, but nobody's asking for your opinion on the afterlife here." "I trust God's Word because because I believe it to
be true." "I really don't care if it's circular. I don't care
what you believe about me or my logic. I am content with my faith. It
makes me a better person and I am finally happy...." [In thread titled "What is intelligence?"]
"intelligence is the ability you have to look at the world around you
and see the truth the God exists" [Responding to 'Do you really believe that 1 or 2 posts are going to refute a 120 year strong theory', e.g. evolution] "Do you think a 120 year old Theory is going to
refute a 6,000 year old Fact." "if you believe that their isn't any hell, you gotta
be apart of some cult or something or just blind as a bat!!" "Religion is perfect - the people aren't." "I dont think poverty is as bad as people may think,
though I havent really experienced it myself so how should I know? But if
those who are poor wish they had more, is it any different from those who
want more and have it, and always want more?" [On Jesus--and boy, does this guy need a history lesson]
"So that fact that he came back to life(which has been historically
verified), and the many miracles he performed that were confirmed
historically from outside the Christian populace don't count as
verifiable?" [After 'Dr. Dino' Kent Hovind, young-earth creationist extraordinaire, the guy who doesn't need building permits because he only recognizes the sovereignty of God's kingdom, who claims the Smithsonian Institution killed people to make fake hominid fossils from, got arrested for burglary and assault, with three eyewitnesses and an admission to the crime] "Some athiest probably made the story up. I mean,
there's nothing to prove that Mr. Hovind was arrested that could not have
been forged, and why would he have done something like that?" [To another Christian who thinks Hovind is a chronic liar
based on the evidence] "I rebuke this spirit of slander right now, in
JESUS' Name! "You're right, some Creationist claims are a little
bit on the weird side, but we believe that these things could not have
happened without help from a higher power. Now, try to come up with a
better reasonable explanation for evolution (and dont give me no crap
about 'evidence')." "Still refuse to believe that the Bible is true? I
pity you, and regret that your ticket to hell is non-refundable except at
the Customer Service Desk of the Bible. I don't see how you refuse to
believe that the service desk is right behind you, and refuse to turn
around to look and see if it's true." "As for what's called physical evil - natural disasters and the
like - well, these things can be avoided or prevented if we come to a
better understanding of God and His Creation. (Including, of course, the
natural laws governing that Creation. I think it's part of my Christian
duty to have faith and practice the scientific method.) So, the answer to
the question 'Why doesn't God do something about physical evil in the
world?" is "He did; He made us.'" [Arguing against legalized prostitution despite the many good points that remained unaddressed] "its interesting how you ignore the points that don't fit your
model." "peachy, you can legalize suicide as well [as prostitution]." [Arguing against science] "Tell me why the oldest human remains
ever found were homo sapien." "Secondly if you are a born again, blood bought Christian NO ONE
can cast a spell on you because the Holy Spirit indwells us and Satan
cannot cross the blood line of Jesus Christ. "We do not let our kids watch, listen or read anything to do with
witchcraft. After I was saved one of the first things I was led to do was
throw all of my Stephen King books away." [On Halloween] "Also, if you are really concerened about the
impact of "Satan's holiday" dress your children up as biblical
figures and use the opportunity to knock on people's doors as a chance to
evanglize. "There is nothing wrong with pumpkins or even spiders and webs to
decorate. Witches are considered evil in the theme of Halloween so that is
good. But I think it is important to be careful on this holiday to make
sure you know where your kids are because Satanist do use the Holiday to
further their agenda." "And I believe we can no more celebrate Halloween in a
"good" way than we could commit adultry in a good way or steal
in moderation. "Did anyone ever read a book by Johanna Michelson called "The
Beautiful Side of Evil"? Christians are more and more being deceived
by Yoga saying things like "it really helps my neck or back" or
"I just want some exercise". Well of course it works. And wicca
works and divining works and hypnosis often works. Just because something
is of Satan doesn't mean it won't work." "I found that one of the neatest ways to get a grasp on the gospel
was through tracts. Not just any ones but certain ones. I have always
LOVED Chick tracts. You can read them on line at http://www.chick.com, and
you can order them. [On obsessive-compulsive disorder and clinical depression] "I do
not mean to down play your condition in any way....and I pray that you get
the medical help you need... "Joint heir is right. Only Jesus can help. The psychiatric
business isn't good for your health" "funny thing about hearing our Lord........if you listen long
enough He'll speak in ways you can't imagine....... "I think it is important to always remember that we can do NOTHING
on our own, but must ALWAYS rely on God!" [On evil spirits in her childhood house] "After leaving home and
getting saved, the evil presence around me stopped. From the moment I was
saved, there have been no voices or appearances or any senses of evil
presences. I truly believe that God is protecting me." [Remember, kiddies, exorcisms are only to be performed via Jesus, even
if they work without him] "I also have a friend who believes in her
power instead of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. She got the ghost to
leave by "telling it to go to the light". Completely Wrong, but
it left and now she feels that she can conqure these things on her own
without God. A setup to make her believe in another lie!" "I would like to post my experiences with demons... [Commenting on tributes to September 11 terrorist attacks in NYC]
"There's more to life than 11/9, and the WTC was just a building,
after all. "Do I think that homosexuals should be punished? That's not up to
me. That's up to God. I wouldn't mind if they were all shipped to an
island so I'm not exposed to their disgusting lifestyle." [Replying to 'would you like to be put on an island by someone?']
"I don't believe in the lie of "tolerance." Furthermore, I
would LOVE to be put on an island with other believers. To spend day and
night in the presence of God with fellow believers would be awesome to
me." "And to the people who think homosexuals are harmless, think
again. They have an agenda, and it's nothing good." "This isn't worth my time. Liberals are the only ones here,
apparently, and no matter what I say, I'm going to be ridiculed for my
beliefs. No more on this thread from me. I will say that I believe with
all my heart homosexuality is a CHOICE. It's trendy to be gay right now,
so people are jumping on the bandwagon--regardless of the
consequences." "God could have made the earth as old as he wanted. [On gay people being able to volunteer as mentors for underprivileged
children] "I do not support this. I believe it is just another tool
for the gay movement to indoctrinate children. I believe they will and are
trying to get complete and total acceptance for there lifestyle. This is
just another way of showing kids that if they want to be gay it is OK.
That it is normal behavior. First the schools, then the Boy Scouts, now
Big Brothers. This is supposed to be a mentoring program. I don't think
that the gay person will just mentor without trying to indoctrinate. "I know not all muslims believe in that, but the Quran has
specifice verses that say 'Kill non muslims' You can take it out of
context or whatever, it means what it sais." [On Islam] "Ultimately, we worship the same God, but Muslims
aren't doing it in a way that corresponds with what God wants." [On public school systems] "Through this the liberals have
successfully dumbed down their constituency, but it has backfired on them.
They do not know how to vote. It is too complicated for them considering
the education they have received. [On Satanism and Paganism-related websites] "What will you do, if
you accidentally came across such websites? [This guy must be unaware of mutations in sex cells] "And Macro
Evolution cannot occur. If a cell mutates somewhere in my body and doesn't
die as a result, it won't affect me in anyway, since I've still got a few
Trillion other cells functioning the way they always have. And the
mutation will not pass on to my offspring." [Birds descended from mammals?! Quick, tell the paleontological community and win a Nobel Prize!] "we have observed evolution transpire, no argument against that...
but I have yet to see any experiments that convinced me, for example, that
dinosaurs evolved from birds (which was one theory) or from reptiles and
amphibians... for all that I've read, they could have evolved from
mammals." [Apparently, this guy hasn't heard of forensic science, among other
things] "I have enough knowledge of science to know that you cannot
know what it was like millions of years ago because there was no one there
to observe it. Things can only be proven scientificly when someone is
there to observe it happening, repeatedly." [After being asked if he's considered that the Bible may be only the result of superstitious human authors] "Yes, it has occured to me. But I have rejected the notion based
on Faith. Frankly, I'm nothing without my Faith. Besides, I've examined
the evidense provided by the athiests that God does not exist, and I have
found it sorely lacking." [Replying to 'But even if it is supernatural, why your God? Why God and not Vishnu? Or playful spirits?'] "Because the miracles of my faith also contain messages, relevant
to the faith. In fact, if they don't have messages attached, so to speak,
they are usually seen as fake." [On whether cute little pets go to heaven when they die] "I think
animals are stupid, mindless beasts who have no brain. The reason why they
like you five minutes after scolding them is because the forgot what
happened! There is no way that animals can get into heaven. Besides, if I
go to heaven, I don't want to hear dogs barking." [Is atheism a religion?] "I believe it to be a problem and not a
religion!" *** Post of the Week for September 1-7, 2002 *** "And also. You know nothing about people who have Alzheimers.
Maybe they get closer to God by the second and that's why they don't react
to other people yapping anymore." "Evolution isn't a theory. It's an attempt to explain our
existence (or current state) from a naturalist perspective in spite of the
evidence rather than because of it. My eighth grade teacher would have
called it a "myth" since he defined "mythology" as
man's propensity to make up stories in an attempt to explain the
unexplainable." "That's true, Nick. It's just that the majority of the people have
been taught evolution since pre-school, and at that age, kids believe
anything you tell them. Afterwards, when they're older, you can keep them
believing in it (even vigorously defending it) easily." [Does Barney the Dinosaur qualify as 'teaching evolution'? Or is there an actual preschool somewhere that addresses genetics, mutation, natural selection, etc.? Those kids must be on a roll if they already understand biology at that tender young age! Coincidentally, where have I heard childhood indoctrination being rampant and resulting in devout but highly ignorant believers? Oh, that's right...] "In reading the Koran, there is no way to reconcile that god with
the God of Christianity and Judaism. Allah is not YHWH. I admit to being
completely baffled that anyone could even think they are the same. That is
tantamount to calling God a liar and I don't want to be around when they
have to face God for that." "If you pray the bible will make sense. The bible makes sense, it
is just hard for some to grasp a supernatural creator, but it is a choice
and one must look within themselves and decide to seek God or not." [Replying to 'Thus far, they have a nasty history of being hoaxes or frauds'] "Now you are claiming that the Catholic Church is involved in
hoaxes?" "Back in the olden days son God was more concerned about keeping
His new paradise (earth) perfect. If that was going to be acheived then
obviously He didn't want idolaters, animal fuckers and others who disobey
His commands so He instructed the Jews to kill them. Death wasn't really
an issue in those days anyway and there weren't really many other
religions. You die you go to Heaven. No real punishment." "They're teaching tolerance in public schools, which is a
travesty. If you don't accept anything and everything that other people
do--regardless of your morals or your values you're intolerant. THAT is
why I think tolerance is a bad thing. People are FORCED to accept things
that they find offensive and/or unacceptable, or they're made to look evil
or hateful." "according to scientists in the big bang theory the ball of matter
was spinning. If it was spinning in a clockwise direction than due to the
conservation of angular momentum all the plants and such would be spinning
in a clockwise direction too. If the big bang theory is true than how
come's some of our planets our spinning in the opposite direction. That's
just one more fact to make evolution wrong." "I'm sure that almost every single scientist is much smarter than
me. But you'd be wrong to think that every scientist is a darwinist,
believing in the B[ig]B[ang]." "Christians need to be doing what the gays and feminists are
doing; they need to do rallies, and petitions, and speak up for what they
believe is right--regardless of whether or not it's politically
correct." "Well, that's why homosexuals are gaining rights. That's why
murderers are still alive, with cable TV. That's why feminists have ruined
the family. Yes, as a Christian, you HAVE to worry about yourself, but you
have to look after your fallen brother or sister, too. We can't stop
turning the other way when it come to sin! Sin has to be dealt with!" "Evolution suggest that species developed from other spieces, and
that is impossible or else we would today have catbirds, rhinomonkeys,
even flying gerbelpigs. Science itself proves this. Again, Evolution is
not a science, it is only a theory that is taught as science." "athiests make me cry" "Well Allah and Islam are a synogogues of satan. No, no God would
openely promote the torture of babies, rape of women, mass slaughter of
Christians and terrorist bombings." [Replying to allegations that God apparently doesn't do anything] "Yeah, holding the universe together and making sure we don't wipe
each other out is nothing. And in certain instances healing people.
Perhaps preventing plenty of murders. Preventing genocide." [Responding to 'You CAN be a Christian and be an evolutionist.'] "That's true. You can be a Christian and still be wrong about some
things." " |