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Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
November 2002 Edition
"I dunno. I am kind of artsy and I like the [flashy,
hard-to-read HTML] back grounds... besides, I never really expect people
to read the text anyways, so if I have a cool bgk, then they will just it
looked cool and be done" "This is an uneducated statement because I've heard
nothing but contradictions of evolution from evolutionists and
creationists. The fact that there is still apes is one of millions." "Because I know what the scientific
"evidence" is but I just don't buy it. I believe that if
evolution were true and we descended from apes, that is Man came from apes
because we evolved from a lower into a higher being, then apes would have
slowely died out. And why did all humans evolve in the exact same way? How
did all the organs evolve and still work? You see all of the organs are
needed to sustain life and if we came from one molecule, that one molecule
needed the entire package in order to live. But to me science dosen't
prove that molecules could have done that. Why isn't there half ape half
man? Why don't some have wings? We could use wings, that would get us
places faster and if evolution is true then maybe we would have evolved
into that. I know that all seems corny and stupid to you, but its the
little questions like that that just make evolution so unbelievable. Hey I
didn't inherit Christianity and that was it. I looked at both choices and
decided that A created world is much more feasable. That's just what I
believe given the evidence. Evolution severly violates the law of
non-contradiction. Which makes it an impossibility. "For that matter, Jesus didn't 'claim' anything. He
flat out said that He was the Way/Truth/Life." "And natural Selection is naturan selection. Natural
selection is not evolution. Nothing evolves in Natural Selection. What HAS
evolved is weeded out in Natural Selection. These are two seperate
entities." "Is this scriptural or just something people want to
believe?" "I don't think someone understands justice or basic
Christian doctrine. There are many worse things in life than Harelquin
Fetus syndrome." [Warning: click that last link at the risk of
your sanity...] "Hell is real... hell is fire. That's where the
unsaved go. The universalists believe since it is Gods will for all to go
to heaven ALL will go to heaven. They believe hell is on earth and when
you're saved you're actually saved from sin and not hell. Universalists
are unscriptual and a cult. Stay away from them!" "I watched Hell-Raiser 2 last night and well... hell
looks BAD. Trust me... you don't want to go there for ETERNITY." "i didnt read the article cause i dont have time. i
have to leave in a bit but i saw the subject and i just want to point out
a couple things. "while the earth was young it was covered with water.
the flood happened while the earth was young. my source was the discovery
channel. and everybody knows thats what scientists think anyways. thats
why there are so many expaditions to go look for lost ships of the flood
and stuff like that." "Maybe you should also let the scientists sort out
the shenanigans... any theory they spout is exactly that... a theory...
not truth, so sit back and wait 20 years til it's official." "I don't mean to sound offensive, but whoever started
this argment about Noah's ark did not do much research. "But I watched a show on TBN the other night, and now
I know nothing is going to cause me to not believe God is real." "the bible says that noah took every type of animal
not species...he did not take every species of dog...just 2 dogs, he did
not take every species of horse, just 2 horses etc....still thats alot of
animals right? the ark was huge...if u were to build it it would be like
really really really big. as for evolution...the big bang can be proven
wrong using 4th graders a high school football team and a merry-go-round.
sad eh? there are no flaws in the bible what soever...it was written by
many men over thousands of years but yet there is not one contradiction.
theres is not a more perfect collage of books in the universe. "And since this is stated in the bible and purgatory
can not be found in the bible, I tend to go with God word, not some man
made belief." [Arguing that Catholic beliefs are bizarre] "one more
time... "Scriptural? I don't think so. If a person wants to
believe that a few droplets of water sprinkled on their head saves them,
they can be my guest. However, they shouldn't be too terribly surprized
when they take their last breath and find out they were wrong. [On the Catholic church] "CULTIC ONE TRUE CHURCH
ARROGANT CRAP." "I guess if you have no problem with playing around
with eastern religions [by getting acupuncture treatments], then go
ahead." "It sounds like the Russian schools are becoming
parochial schools of the Russian Orthodox Church which is very anti
Protestant as well as anti Roman Catholic. The kids will probably be
indoctrinated with Eastern Orthodox theology." "Does anyone know what Russian Orthodox Church
teaches? And is that different or the same as Orthodox Christianity? Just
wondering." "This is common in Hebrew poetry. Job is the same
way. The morning stars and the angels are not the same thing. "It doesn't have to be nudity to be pornography. It
is the thoughts that the images provoke that make it sinful, thus
porn." "What is the general consensus on the Sear catalog?
With all those bras and bikinis, my mom used to call it "The poor
man's playboy"." "I formed a group on yahoo for stuff like this called
"The American League of Porn Fighters" "They are called the 10 Commandments. Check them out.
What good is morality if it's only based on your own reason? That sounds
pretty arbitrary to me." "the bible should be the way to check the accuracy of
archaeology, not the other way around." *** Post of the Week for November 24-30, 2002 *** [On the Shroud of Turin] "From what I watched on the
tv show and what the Bible say, Jesus was raped in it for 3 days and then
He rose from the dead." "The only problem with the Bible being stories and
myth or whatnot is that it would be very unique. I mean, all of it's major
players ahve huge falws with them. Look at David. Great guy, man after
God's own heart. Adulturer and murderer. He's not the perfect heroe like
heroes should be. The Bible is all too true in its depiction of men." "What do people think about this? As most know there
is this lady in Nigeria who has been ordered to be stoned to death for
having a child out of wedlock. This has caused a significant outburst from
western nations worldwide arguing the ruling is inhumane, uncivilised and
breaches basic human rights. Although I find decision to be somewhat
"harsh" this lady bought about her own judgement. In Northern
Nigeria where the sha'riah is the law, it is a well known offence to
commit adultery and although the stoning will be the first time it's
practised in the region the Qu'ran makes it clear it is a capital offence.
So although she knew her actions might lead to her death she took the risk
anyway and now under shar'iah law she is going to be punished for it. I
respect the human rights groups but I really don't think they understand
religion at all and are only preventing justice before Allah or God taking
place. From a Christian perspective I don't necessarily think it's wrong
as well. When Jesus was preaching some Jews bought him a woman guilty of
adultery and asked if the men condemned her. She said no so Jesus didn't
condemn her neither. However, the men in Nigeria do condemn her so it
seems likely she is worthy of her death. If you ask me, I think Jesus
would urge compassion towards the lady and she shouldn't be stoned to
death however establishing a worldwide crusade to prevent this stoning she
bought upon herself shows a lack of respect for religion." "If I were a Muslim then my will would be to do
Allah's will. If that means slaying thousands of Christians in Jihad then
I'd probably do it." "Sorry, but I'm sick of wanna-be historians, and
scientist trying to put us Christians in our place." "Why God allows bad things to happen to good people. "Evolution uses just as much circular reasoning as to
the fact that it cannot be reproduced in a lab. The whole concept of
evolution is speculation therefore just going around telling everybody its
true because scientists say its true is circular reasoning." "But even you should be able to understand that at
the time people lived that long, there was no cancer, there was no
polution, no cfc's, no unnatural foods, etc.. "Noah lived to be 950 (Genesis 9:29). And Methusela
lived into his 900's also. Read your Bible. Before the flood men use to
live very very long times. After the flood the death age got younger and
younger. Again you have no idea how long people lived back then because
you believe man and not God, your creator." "you see, as much as you want to believe that science
is a great revelation and we have advanced so far, The Bible is far more
accurate. I don't care how tall your "mounds" of evidence are.
God's word supercedes any kind of scientists. You don't know how things
worked before the flood. That oxygen thing is true, but before the flood
our bodies didn't work that way. I'm going to have to use the God's
soverignty arguement on this one....and oh how you hate that one so." "The Bible is truth because it is the word of God.
Many Biblical accounts have been proven to be accurate by modern atheist
scholars" [On Genesis] "It is different from a regular account
because God chose to tell us the story in His way. Why He chose to tell
the story in such a way is not a question that we are authorised to
ask." "Then why has the human race progressed so
prolifically since the beginning of Christianity?" "Before Christianity: "What do you mean? The egyptians and the chinese were
destroyed by the flood to pay for their sins." *** Post of the Week for November 17-23, 2002 *** [After being told both civilizations had extensive records
going right thru the alleged time of the flood] "The word of God is
evidence enough. The egyptian and chinese accounts of history were
obviously wrong and so that is why they were punished in such a way. God
was obviously setting an example." "With such a diverse and large amount of genetic
information within each of our cells, i find it not that hard to believe
that different characteristics we see today could have arised from
recessive traits in Noah's genes. After all, so much of the human genome
we know nothing about." "If i was born in exactly the same situation as them
[the 9/11 hijackers], with exactly the same genes as them, i would have
done exactly the same thing as them. Because there would be no reason i
wouldn't have. Consider this statement closely if replying." "The people of Hiroshima can tell you Nuclear
reactions happen. They observed it. Now, show me macroevolution so I may
observe it happening." "I remember not too many years ago, my girlfriend
loved this singer Geoff Moore. He had this song bashing evolution. That
was actually one of the catalystits for me looking into evolution.
Frankly, that song P.O.d me! I got into debaqtes with creationists over it
and it angered me they were so stupid. But I didn't have hard facts to
support evolution, only questions they couldn't answer. So I researched it
so I could finally shut them up. Only to find that although they couldn't
answer my questions, I couldn't support my evolutionary belifes with any
facts that I could stand behind. In the end, I found they were unlearned
in it, but right." "I know you are not an anti-semitic person and have
no ill will- but the view you espouse associates you with the very
anti-semitic world view. To doubt the Bible is a direct accusation towards
the Jews. Remember the Bible was given to the Jews by God. It is their
scripture and responsibility, their history." [After a person complains 6 guys beat him up] "i felt
sorry for you till you said you were gay. try reading the bible.". "What makes it [Archaeopteryx] not a valid example is
its a bird. that's all. A weird bird, but a bird all the same. This is the
lamest example around and has been so over rebutted its silly." "That is correct and let me remind you that this is a
Christian bullentin board and no, we do NOT change what the Bible says to
fit our beliefs. If you persue this direction of thought you will be
escorted out of here." "I believe the Bible is not a science book. BUT where
it touches on science, it is flawless, where it touches on geography it is
flawless, where it touches on biology it is flawless, where it touches on
astronomy it is flawless, etc." "I don't usually get into evolution threads because I
believe that evolution is bunk, plain and simple. I have NEVER studied it,
never even felt a need to because I simply believe that God did what He
said He did." "I have proff. A while back on a Moday, I started
feeling like I was getting the flu. So, I just said, "No, I'm not
getting sick. God heal me of this in Jesus name." And not 10 mins
later, the symtoms were gone." "Satan is lying to you. Why is it hard for you to see
that God is real and He loves you?" "disney satanic? "I consider disney's "do you believe in
magic" the first step in boiling the frog. "I will state this again, children might think magic
is real when they don't know any better, but as they grow up, they know
the difference between fantasy and reality, fiction and nonfiction,
biblical and satanic, and stories and real life. I mean, there is a
certain point in your life that you become receptive to higher-level
thinking. That is the time when you are able to not only fully start
understanding scriptural meanings, but you are also able to distinguish
that storybook magic is not true." "Isn't Mickey mouse a wizard? "Disney Magic is Witchcraft any way you slice it "Call me dumb/niave, but I have never heard of that
EVEN STEVEN other stuff [on the Disney Channel]...I've cleaned out the tv
shows and videos and must admit we watch mostly biblical stuff right now.
I ask God that he give us ALL discernment in these things. "I believe Disney has pulled a deception over parents
and children..I also believe God does protect the children in alot of ways
we don't know about. So much of Disney is about the occult, and some of it
is about talking animals. So where to draw the line??" "I voted yes [Disney IS evil]! One of the things
people need to understand is that satan is NOT going to make anything look
obvious. Just remeber this, saten has been around for a very long time, so
he has alot of knowledge and he knows exactly how to deceive people. The
schems of satan are not always going to appear to be evil, especially not
to the carnal mind, to those "which have not known the depths of
saten" - Revelation
2:24." *** Post of the Month for November 2002 *** "I am just trying to point out that Disney itself is
not all that evil. Yes, some of their shows were probably written, filmed,
and marketed by Satan himself. But some aspects of Disney, even if meant
for evil, do nothing but promote good feelings." "I would think no touching because touching leads to
a lot of other stuff. It's okay to hug your grandma, or your mom or
someone real close but not who you are attracted to (as in dating). It can
lead to lust. You should wait till after the wedding, then you're in the
clear to do all that stuff." "Let em walk. I'm tired of big babies. If they want
special treatment, then a public school is NOT for them! Classes are more
important. The school is right. You do not interupt classes for extra
ciricular activities. "I think the appeal for atheism is there are no
consequences for your actions. No God, no sin. In reality, it's a denial
thing. "Man never landed on the moon? "i have no problem whatsoever with the use of the 'f'
word [in Saving Private Ryan]. it is merely a word. and for soldiers to be
swearing while they storm the beach of normandy. i think they were
appropriate to use this language. but that is just my opinion. "Part of the reason that the movie [Saving Private
Ryan] was soo vulgar is that they were in France. Everyone in France is
gross and vulgar....and they say the F word all of the time." "My husband asked me to tape it for him. I did tape it without realizing it wasn't edited for language. I'll tell my husband about it not being edited. We will probably wait for the movie to arrive from http://www.cleanfilms.com/ Joining that movie rental service is one of the best
things I've ever signed up for. Even my husband is enjoying the more
recent war movies from them because they cut out the bad language. My
daughter is thrilled because she can see more movies now because the
sexual scenes, bad language and the more violent scenes are cut out. It's
been quite a blessing." "Okay, yeah, so like just because something is true
to life and is "reality" [war movies] then it's justified to be
put on TV unedited right? SO I guess that means that because women get
raped all the time or teenagers engage in sexual intercourse and do drugs
and porn stars really do get naked and perform unconventional sex
acts....it should all be made into a movie with nothing cut out so that we
ignorant people can see for ourselves the reality of this world huh? Sure,
men who fight hellish wars where their friends are getting blown away will
swear and nobody is telling them not to!" "I strongly agree that the Bush White House is
dignified. It's so awesome to have a genuine, honest, kind-hearted man as
our President!" "Well either the Christian God exists or God don't
exist." "People say it's okay to be a Wiccan, Buddhist,
Muslim or whatever but it must be made clear God hates these false
religions (if they are in fact false) and He'd like to see them
eradicated. Homosexuality is the killer. Priests, pastors, politicians etc
are decieving God's little children into thing it's okay to be gay. The
world has come to largely accept homosexuals in this world and the gay
movement is stronger than ever... God hates it all. People think female
pastors are a welcome but God says they're not (debatable). Many don't
believe in capital punishment even though God created it. Pacifists and
anti-war (defence) Christians are just confused. Is there a passage in the
Bible that says we're to conform to social beliefs or don't people give a
shit about the truth? Why so weak?" "Absolutely brilliant! Resort to the teachings of a
Bahai [another religion]. Doesn't
truth mean anything to you or are you just justify your sinful lifestyle.
Well I tell ya, your going to get a big fucking surprise when your burning
in hell. You wont be asking Dave [the Bahá'í poster] any more
questions then will ya?" "If the theistic evolutionist refuses to answer, or
relegates God to the background (thinking him not worth the bother because
he isn't empirically detectable), then it is clear that we are dealing not
with a theist, but a Darwinist who happens to be agnostic. Again, it would
seem that the theistic evolutionist attempts to reconcile what cannot
possibly be joined together." "However, the existence of life, particularly human
life requires something for which Darwinism has no answer: information,
faculties of reason, language, increasing complexity, and finally,
humanity." "no. i'm sure without a doubt that it's not my mind
playing tricks. my testimony isn't about thinking i'm seeing something,
cuz it has nothing to do with thinking." "The purpose of having organized Christianity is to
prevent people from doing dumb stuff." [Replying to 'What if you heard the voice of God telling
you to go kill all the atheists?'] "If I knew absolutely that is was
the voice of God, I would do whatever He commanded me to do." "Frank, if you support abortion, just remember that
you will one day be judged on how you treated others, and your opinion
very much matters in that regard also. Maybe you will be aborted to
Hell." [On euthanasia for the terminally ill who suffer dire
pain] "You lose. Suffering is temporary, God is eternal. You won't
suffer eternally, Winston, if you love God. But suffering will be eternal
for those who oppose God. No one can euthanize a soul in torment. It's
just a question of a few years, and we'll all find out for ourselves.
--Eternal life; or eternal pain." "The sick man has no need for suicide; God will give
him death when God sees fit. Suicide is a grave sin as well as euthanasia.
We have to reject these sins. They will lead us to eternal pain in hell if
we accept them as our free will. God has revealed it; like it or not,
Sir." "Let me remind you, killing of the weak, infirm, and
wounded was known long before this law. It was the butchery of barbarians
and savages. You would ask our Church teach that, instead of helping the
dying. My faith teaches me to offer up prayer for them, not liquidate
them. God has them in His merciful care. Suffering is temporal, hell is
eternal." "You seem to ignore God's mercy. You don't believe in
a merciful God; He's just a myth to people like you. Because you live like
animals you want to die like animals." "Atheism is cowardice, pure and simple. It's the
ultimate "I am my own God, and nothing you say can change my
mind" - principle. Admitting that someone else is in control would be
horrendous, worthy of no good atheist. And not only that: it is also
illogical and unsound and not consequent." [Replying to 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence.'] "The claim is not extraordinary. In fact, I would say
that atheists' claims are much more extraordinary. I would think that
almost every human being believes in some form of spiritual life. Atheists
are the minority. But of course, they must be right, since they know what
is really going on. Way to go...!" "If there is no God, and pleasure is the only thing
that makes your life worth living, you live for pleasure. If you live for
pleasure, you idolize pleasure. If you idolize pleasure, it is only
reasonable to ask why you shouldn't do things that give you pleasure. You
could see prostitutes. A lot of pleasure, presumably. Illegal, but hey,
somebody will always pay prostitutes. You could drive your car 150mph.
Illegal? Yes, but if the street is clear, no harm done. You could smoke a
big fat joint. Illegal? Yes (depending on where you live), but hey, it's
for medicial purposes. You could work really hard and hobnob with the big
shots. Never mind that you may have to turn into a back-stabbing, lying,
cheating SOB. Finally, you could rape a woman or kill a homeless person.
Pleasurable? not for me, but maybe for some people. "Well,...as expected.., no evolutionist could come
forward and enlighten us with the information of which type of hominid
female first gave birth to a Cro-Magnon baby. That eloquently says all
that needs to be said about the validity of the evolution theory." "They have traveled in time, but only by a fraction
of a second. If you put an atomic clock on the ground and one on an
airplane and send it around the world at the fastest speed that man can
travel. The clock on the plane will be a spilt second different from the
one that stayed in the same place." "Also, I question if a "big foot" existed,
when there is just no physical evidence AT ALL." "Bigfoot simply doesn't exit right? Ok so why all the
fuss about it then? Could this be an attempt by some people to confirm
evolution? I understand scientists don't use this of course, but could it
be an attempt by laymen to prove evolution?" "It's a molten core -- magma from volcanoes comes
from this source." "But the FACT is observing, testing and reproducing
results with DNA, Fossils, decay rates, or whatever tests and gives you
results on DNA, Fossils, decay rates, or whatever. It does NOT test, nor
give results on evolution. Want to call it a theory of DNA, go for it.
THAT is honest." "Notice, this is nowhere in Scripture. It is in the
"deposit of faith". TRASH LIKE THIS IS CAUSING MILLIONS TO
ELEVATE MARY FALSELY." "I feel an inquisition coming on. When (if, but it
looks that way) they officially declare her [Mary] co-redemptrix, the you
know what is going to hit the fan." "Everytime I read it [a declaration from the Catholic
church], I'm speechless. Pukeys just won't do anymore. Its beyond that. "Out of curiosity, what makes you believe that
Christianity is a religion of tolerance? We adhere to, and teach that
there is only one way to heaven. We proclaim the truth that there is one
God. You were misinformed when you were told that this is a religion of
tolerance." "YUCK!!!! "Unbelieveable! "Imo, D&D [Dungeons & Dragons] is occultic
and is used to recruit or seduce young people, both teens and young
adults, into satans realm. "I don't get how you can have an "evil"
game with no "direct" influence from Satan. (oxymoron?)" "Should Schools Celebrate a Illegitimate and
Fradulent Holiday called Valentine's Day. "I dont know if anyone ever heard of the story of the
Cottingley fairy' from the UK,but I was wondering: "No. Angels, yes. No scripture for fairies. I did an
on-line Bible search for "Tinkerbell" and came up with 'no
matches found.'" "Anything that us humans have ever voiced in the
history of mankind that satan can use to try to deceive someone can most
certainly exist in some form or another. "I believe there are very few true 'satanists' in the
world. "Its true most who follow Satan dont call him
that...new Agers, witches etc....but I do believe there ARE organized
groups more then people know. Yes there was some hysteria some years ago
but you cant go the other way and deny these people exsist totally." "Whoa! "I had a friend who was in an organized satanic cult. "Satanism is very real, folks, and is everywhere. And
while teenagers are frequently inducted into the lastest
"groups", there is a much deeper level involvement by committed
followers. "So your saying that God is just made up in the human
mind? Wrong. God talks about this in James. If you doubt when you ask,
your as unsteady as a wave on the sea being driven by the wind. Also, how
can God do what you asked Him when you don't belive your going to recive
what you asked for? "Because there is no other God's but the God of
Heaven and Jesus Christ, His Son. Ok, answer this: When you pray MagnaGei,
do you get a answer from your god(s)? I do when I pray to my God in the
name of Jesus." "Aw come on, moderator, I don't even know what a
"jumped up wanker" is. I heard somebody use it and it really
struck me funny, I thought I would try it on Galiel, since he is leaving
anyway. I think it is somthing people in England say. I tried using that
expression on my dog but got no reaction." [Human
sacrifice in the Bible?] ------------------ "They can believe in evolution and still be a
Christian, but that goes to show that they are: "If you are a Christian that agrees with evolution,
then God is waiting for you to repent of your sin." "Which do you take more seriously, the Bible, or
"science" ? "How can a Christian believe that we came from apes
is ridiculous! "Even the originators of the
"theory/hypothesis" of evolution come to a point where they must
admit that their belief in evolution is simply because they do not want to
bow down before the great Creator of the universe and own Him as their
Master. That would be an admission of subservience and a logical outcome
would be if Christ/God is my master, then I must obey His
commandments--which the natural or unsaved man is unwilling to do. Thus
the theory of evolution was devised as an alternative to belief in God
Almighty." "Yes, animals were not carnivorous before Adam and
Eve sinned (Gen. 1:30). As for Dr. Hovind, I am not saying that I agree
with him all the time, but hey, there is $250,000 for the taking with
proof of evolution! Besides, if we want to call people extremists and
such, well, I would have to say that those comprising the clear teaching
of Scripture with absolutely no good reason rather extreme." "Sham, you say that god killed the fist born in
Egypt. Well yes that is very true. "God isn't trying to scare anybody. He doesn't have
to. He just kills everybody who doesn't agree with Him. When Our Lady and
the Saints try to warn people, they are not trying to scare anybody —
they are just trying to warn people. But me? I don't care. So I'm just
trying to scare you. But God? Just as soon kill you as look at you. He's
way beyond caring what people think. Do you care what ants and roaches
think?" "Now, there is a philosophy of Law that asserts that
extremely harsh punishments enforce themselves. For instance, every where
in the World now car theft is treated as almost a slight misdemeanor, and
everywhere in the World now car theft and stolen car parts are huge
illicit industries. But what if you were to specify the most elaborate and
torturous deaths for anyone convicted of car theft? You wouldn't need any
police. No one would dare steal a car. Like in Malaysia, when they made
Drug Trafficking a capital crime, they cut their drug enforcement
departments in half, because they knew drug traffickers would avoid
Malaysia. In short. If a society wishes to discourage certain behaviors,
publishing an extremely stern punishment is a tried and true method of
deterrence." "all I'm saying is DO NOT EVER draw your own
conclusion." "Instead of God Bless America, America Bless God for
his great mercy. "By secular do you mean atheistic? Because if so,
that is simply another form of faith." "There is nothing scientific about evolution but a
lot of high school and college textbooks attempt to indoctrinate young
people into believing they are just the product of a "chance"
occurrence and apes and humans came from a "common ancestor." No
wonder young people all over this nation are killing each other left and
right." "There is simply no if ands or buts about it, she
[Mary] should NOT be prayed to, and if you pray to her, you HAVE BEEN led
astray. What is hard about this to understand? If this isnt clear to you,
I would say you HAVE NOT read the bible enough, and most likely you HAVE
BEEN spoon fed by some wacko priest that likely humms some odious tune to
the melody of mans tradition and not Gods WORD." ". . . but that is the problem. The ones who need to
understand [Catholics] refuse to jumpstart their brains." "You bring up the rise of Mormonism [to compare with
the rise of Christianity] - and that is indeed an interesting and well
documented story - but it so heavily builds upon the base laid by
Christianity that it really isn't a very good analogy. From a scholastic
standpoint, though not a theological one, it is simply another sect of
Christianity." "Do you honestly think that you are the original in
raising these questions? If the Bible could be proven false/and
or/inaccurate, then Christianity wouldn't have survived 2000 years of
persecution. People aren't willling to be burned alive and cut in half for
lies. The only way that I see anyone could stand by their beliefs through
all this because a loving God changed their lives through a personal
relationship with Jesus Christ." "AMEN!!!! Evolution is the most retarded scientific
idea ever created. DNA.....the genetic code for all humans do not have one
single item related to any species of monkies, gorillas, chimps, etc. Wake
up....the theory is wrong." "I fully expect in the near future that there will be
a HUGE IMAGE of this demon spirit "Mary" in all of the sky for
the entire world to see. That would be an event that would break down the
barr and unite all false religions, wouldn't it?" "Once again, go get a bunch of rabbits. Start
breeding them. And when you come up with something that is not simply a
different rabbit, but something that is fully not a rabbit, then come show
me." [Replying to 'at what point would it become "fully
not a rabbit"?'] "When it becomes something else. For petesake
how can you not get it??? I don't know what you are going to evolve it
into. A dog? A bear? I cannot answer your question with a specific animal
other than to say "anything other than a rabbit"!!! If I say an
animal, you will say "that's not how science works". If I don't
say a specific one, you say my challenge is meaningless. [Replying to 'If a rapist was sentenced to death, and his
mother died in place of him, how is justice served at all?']
"Actually the mystery of Christ dying for us is even harder to
comprehend than the scenario you post. "Like it or not this is the law of God- and who are
we to question it?" "Wiccans are Satan worshippers. Sorry to disillusion
you, but it's the truth. They may deny it, but of course they would. And
right now, yes, I do believe that Satan is using the Muslims, in their
misguided beliefs, as his tools. They kill without conscience!! They
preach to kill the infidels...infidels being any NON-MUSLIM. You would
hold them out as icons of goodness?" "Society is out to erase any mention of God. There is
a world wide conspiracy to systematically eliminate all forms of
mentioning, praying, worshping , teaching anything in regards to Jesus,
God and the Holy Spirit. The effects are already being felt in the EU,
Spain has eliminated several churches and has a mandate to arrest pastors
if they as much as attempt worship--citing that this is a form of
brainwashing and is against the "Natural" flow." "Non-believers call God a tyrant [for sending good
people to hell]. Thing is, He isn't a tyrant to me...I'm going to
heaven." "Thats [sleep paralysis] a demonic attack that you
described. I've experienced quite frightening instances of this. There
have been several times taht I've felt a presence and I couldn't move at
all like your talking about. One time that was little different I could
felt as though an outside force was molesting me. I saw a yellowish haze
hovering just below the cieling. I cried out for Jesus and the I woke up.
I could never forget that, it was freaky. I know sounds unbelievable,
maybe i'm psycho or maybe it was a dream. Who knows?" "Isaiah was NOT a false prophet [because he made a
prophecy that didn't come true] because Jesus supported the truth and
witness of the prophets." "Some famous black person said it ['Free at last,
free at last, thank god we are free at last'] when they gained all their
freedoms or something so of course when a white person says it it's
discrimination." "If you dropped your computer on the ground and
smashed it. Would it put itself back together. "Yeah its true I dont know much about evolution.
Please forgive me. It just makes sense that I came from a human. You know,
human having human babies and birds having baby birds. "I must disagree with Buddhism. No way could all
humanity ever acheive the same goal by doing the same thing. Humanity is
too diverse. Never happen." "Well lets look at the causes of cancer. Smoking is
one. Skin cancer is another. A lot of cancer is caused by harsh chemicals
and radiation. Its caused by what you eat and drink. "Witchcraft is not of the Lord. The power comes from
energy that is creating and given by demonic spirits. These demonic
spirits all have a rank, a purpose, and a master. Their master is Satan.
Satan is very pleased if a person decides to tap into the powers of
witchcraft. He may use those powers that the person calls upon to show
them supernatural things;(deja-vu feelings, paranormal happenings,
coincidences, superstitious feelings) These demonic spirits may take the
form of animals, the animals may act a certain way that would make a
person believe that they had power over that animal or even a human.
Withcraft in my opinion quickly turns into a practice of vampirism. This
vampirism that I am speaking of is merely spiritual. It is were people
feed off the thoughts of one another in order to become more powerful.
This really takes effect when the person has sex with the other,
essentially they become one spiritually, so the energy or power is
increased every time you sleep with a different person. I may be getting
off the subject of witchcraft and into the subject of Hallucinogenic drug
cults, but oh well. To me it is all the same. These behaviors and thought
processes are highly addictive and can cause very bad emotional and
physical problems. A person could have insomnia, lose a lot of weight,
have psychotic episodes, become suicidal, put distant between themselves
and family, lose touch with reality and sense of responsibility. "No, they just spouted some Athiest dogma, which has
very little backing and were insulting. AKA, if you question myths, why
don't you question your own? Again, I reiterate, what evidence is there
that Atheism is correct or the truth? I would like to comment that for
every time someone mentions the Spanish Inquisition, I will reply with Pol
Pot, 2 million people, Stalin, millions of people, Mao Se-dong, millions
of people." "They want to understand it [Christianity] before
they except [sic] it. Don't try to understand it, just except it." "Look at what you just said. You belive He was killed
30 AD? Ok, look at this, the BC means before Christ and the AD means after
death. So, apparently there had to be a Christ who died for us." "Why are you making it hard for yourself to belive
that Jesus did die on a cross and rose again from the dead three days
later." [Replying to 'why don't you believe in Krishna?']
"Because this Krishna isn't real. God said to have no other God's
before Him. Has this Krishna proven it's self real to you and performed
miricles and healed people?" [Replying to 'belief is not a choice'] "Belife is to
a choice. You have the free will to say to God that you don't belive His
son died for you and to slap Him in the face with that and you also have
the free will to belive in false god's. Do you realize that this country
has went down hill for a long time now because we have thrown God out of a
lot of things?" [Replying to 'could you believe in the Tooth Fairy or the
Easter Bunny?'] "No, because I know those things ain't real. I know
God is real because of what He did for me and what I have seen Him do for
my family and friends. [Replying to 'let's see how you like burning in Muslim
hell'] "Yeah right. I'm not scared because I know this Allah is fake
and not real." "Your scared to read the Bible because you know it is
God's word and your afraid to see that." "Don't you see? Satan caused that. God has been taken
out of our schools, work place and other places. So, God used [the
terrorist attacks of] 911 to wake us up and say, 'You need me. Come back
to me.'" "Your wrong, God didn't kill those people. The
muslims belife that they have to kill Christians and people who don't
belive the way they do killed those people. God just used that as a wake
up call." "No, He used it to try and get our attention. If we
don't turn back to Him, trouble will continue to come. "I am truly proud to be an American. I have no doubt
that God molded this country with greatness in mind. Granted we are far
from perfect, but we certinly are free and blessed beyond all
recognition!! We have no right to complain about how we live. Our poorest
people live like kings compared to other countries and I am embarrased
when we hear so many complaining about not having enough. "what does the Bible say about pro wrestling like wwe
other whys nown as wwf because my bro loves it beyond all possible human
beleif and when i asked him which site is better , www.bible.com or
www.wwe.com, it took him a while to answer so i thought that was a bit
stupid. so what im asking is wwf against the bible and if u could give a
link so my bro dont pull a hissy fit if it is thanx and this will solve a
lot of problems thanx again" "If I abandon a Christian worldview, I see no
plausible reason - other than purely selfish reasons - to be a Moral
person. In fact, [and I know this will be contraversial] but I believe
that many of these crimes are strictly due to a lack of the Christian
worldview, although, paradoxically I find that many Christians [?] engage
is such activities. "And guess what? Even if there were life on other
planets people would die the second they were created on there because
almost every planet doesn't have the suitable living conditions that Earth
has." "son you are sadly mis-informed and comfortably
lying. No "Christian" ever beat a gay or murdered a gay person.
No "Christian" ever ever bombed a clinic. You are sadly mistaken
about Hitler. Mein Kampf is full of anti-Christianity. "The Gilgamesh tablet and other flood stories from
around the world got their start because of Noah's flood. When God
confused the languages at Babel the people split up into language groups
and migrated all over the world. They took the story of Noah and the Flood
with them. As they departed more and more from God they embelished the
story with their own ideas. The Flood account in the Bible is the only one
that has stayed accurate." "As far as the fact that some written traditions may
be older than the time of Moses, I ask - so what? The events in question
(the creation account and the Flood) happened at one point in history, no
matter when the records were written down. The first report is not always
the most accurate. For example, I seem to remember seeing in history books
that when Harry Truman was re-elected, one newspaper (which he showed to
the press) declared in large print "Dewey defeats Truman." Would
future generations studying the 20th Century (should other records be
lost) be correct in assuming that this is what happened, simply because it
was written down first? Of course not. The editors of the publication in
question likely had their own ideals and agenda (likely they were Dewey
supporters). The same is true with those who wrote down the Babylonian
Epic and other ancient myths - they had an agenda of values and ideals
that are important to their society which they wanted to blend in to the
somewhat mist-transmitted flood account which had been passed down orally
among their people." "The bible is a book of proven prophecy. Try reading
it. Try to do it with an open mind instead of one that satan is
influencing." "Plus, the anti-chrits will have supernatural powers.
He will "wow" the world into following him. Actually, the world
will have NO CHOICE but to follow him. Either that or death. It's all a
big deception planned by satan. [Replying to 'Why would God throw children into a lake of
fire?'] "I'm sure HE'll explain it all to us at the appropriate
time..." "... why would you base your eternity on non-credible
beliefs and a feeling?" "You need to understand something. Religion is a man
made system to make themselves feel good about what they are doing. "Is the theory of evolution racist? Do the people
here who believe in evolution support Darwin's viewpoint on the races? Do
you guys believe negros are an inferior and subhuman species that are no
more than talking apes?" "Heck, the first ammendment proves that this nation
was built under a Christian world view. Freedom of speech, press, and
religion (establishment clause) proves this." "This makes me sick, sad, angry, sorrowful... These
poor people who are sucked into the lies and garbage that this institution
[the Catholic church] teaches. I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TRUE GOD
BELIEVING CHRISTIANS FALL FOR THIS STUFF. I can understand to a point if a
person is raised in it that they'll believe what they're taught. But like
for the people who come to this board, who profess that yes, Jesus is
their savior, it's impossible for me to see how they can turn around and
worship (I don't care what they say, it's worship, idoltry, and just plain
sickening BLASPHEMY and it's OBVIOUS) such disgustions notions. "Islam started with this guy named Muhamed.he picked
this god mamed Allah,the moon god out of the 2,000 gods of the
arabs." "Now, the reason you don't belive is because you
don't want to. You like doing the sinful things and you don't want to
admit your wrong and need God's help, so you continue to be in the dark
for fear that your sins will be exsposed in the light." "When the geneticists with the Human Genome Project
were able to isolate the loci clusters of gene that denote an individual's
race, that science proved that white people couldn't turn into black
people and black people couldn't turn into white people. If the two
different races bred, they would get some mixture of the two but they
would never get a pure black or a pure white breed. That means that the
original individual races are actually separate species. I'm sorry kids,
but that's the new science. You'll just have to get with the program and
grasp the new realities. Science isn't going to stagnate and wait for you
to catch up, it's just going to keep right on truckin'." "I used to live on top of a TALL hill (not quite a
mountain) and under some bushes near the house, I found some fossilized
sea shells and fossilized fish embedded in rock. I'm convinced I had found
archealogical evidence of the Great Flood." "Just don't read into it too much. Thats causes
confusion and curiosity. I remember being gathered around these two people
that got deep into the beginning of the earth. I found myself being
curious about it. then God spoke and said clealry, 'If you get too deep
into it you may be driven astry, Just believe what I say"Just believe
what God says happened. Thats the problem everyone wants to know why, why,
why, why, Just believe what God says." "The bible has no contradictions, people are just
blinded by Satan." "I can't admit any of that [that God might be
entirely different than the Christian God]...You know why? Because I
believe in God and blind faith. Blind faith-Believing in something that
you do not know will happen. I may not know about any of that stuff. But I
do know that YOU ARE WRONG." "Ignore him. He doesn't believe in God anymore than
Zeus. He thinks they are all the same devine being. You can't discuss with
him." "Tell me why I should be [an atheist]? What advantage
is there to being one? What does it have to offer?" "Good does not exist? Then they have no right in
complaining about being persecuted. They have no right in combating being
burned at the stake by theists, because we all know that if there is no
good, it does not matter what we do." "God made us to love Him. He wanted us to have choice
not be some robot who is forced to love Him, therefore anyone who
choses(that is makes a decision) not to accept His message and be saved
there must be a punishment." "Men throw themselves on gernades to save their
fellow soldiers in war. This isn't martyrdom either. It is dying for a
cause." "The WTC Bombers MOTIVATION may have been Allah, but
their cause was to kill Americans for the Taliban. They CHOSE death.
Suicide in the name of Allah does not equal martrydom. "Catholics are not going to believe anything that
disproves that Mary was an ever-virgin. If they do there whole house of
cards come tumbling down. This is the corner stone of there entire believe
system. If this is false then so could other be." "He [Adam, before he ate the evil tree's fruit] did
have a working knowledge of what was right and wrong. He did not know
about the knowledge of good and evil. We are talking common sense. " "Some have argued this and created lengthy books on
it. PERSONALLY I do not believe it has happened (because it doesn't fit
with the Bible) so I would rather not try to defend it." "You forget, I am not looking for science, I am
looking for truth. Science isn't searching for truth." "Want to invoke occam's razor? Cats evolved into
cats? Or a microbe involved into intermediate... things which continued to
evolve and evolve and evolve through simple cells, complex cells, fish,
amphibians, reptiles, basic mamals, to cats. Hmmmm...." "The bible says the earth is fixed and not moveable.
It does not say stationary. Can you move it? Push real hard and see." "Ok, like King Arthur was a king in Brittian? He was
a king towards the end of the Mideivl period? He had a wife named
Gueinevere and a knight named Lancelot? None of that contradicts reason or
common sense. "It is amazing how you can manipulate the spirit in
which the law was written. Many of our laws were written by the founding
fathers to protect Americans from religious persecution. That is a fact.
Or is it your opinion that they wrote them to be applied as they are
today- where people such as yourself twist freedom of speech laws to
permit child porn on the internet..." "evolution, if it involves the creation of man
without God creating man from dust, then it is against God. If it is the
evolution that speaks directly to the fact that animals/nature/man
evolves/adapts, then no, this is not heresy, we do adapt, change,
grow......but we do so with the help of God, in Christ. agreed?" "Islam is a religion founded inthe spirit of
anti-christ, by a false angel spewing forth lies and giving Mohammed the
power to establish this mockery of true faith in the TRUE God of Abraham
AND Isaac AND Jacob AND Peter AND PAUL and all the saints who gave their
lives standing against this movement of the enemy.... "Islam does not recognize Jesus as God. While yes
they claim him as a great man of God, they call him a liar by not
recognizing His Deity because Jesus himself claimed to be God. "The Pope is courting Satan. Islam is nothing but a
demonic force. Why would he kiss the Quran? Has he bothered to read it?
It's a war manual, with orders to kill the Jews and christians and all
that are of not Islam. It takes from the Bible and twists the words and
the meanings and turns it to suit their adgenda. Very cunning! Does'nt it
make perfect sense for satan to use God's words against him? "The RCC is really whoring itself to the muslims.
What a power play. The richest religion of the world [Catholic Church]
joining up with the largest religion of the world [Islam?!?]. And they
both love Mary. My question is, Where does this leave the Jews?. JP2 is
nothing more than the Pimp of Babylon and I got a feeling we won't be
around to meet the next Pope." "There are no atheists in hell!" "The young people who are indoctrinated with the
make-believe theory of evolution, which is willfully expanded from the
recorded scientific observations of natural selection, will believe in
that theory as they believed in Santa Claus, even though there is no
direct evidence to prove the theory. The corporate/science controls the
belief in the theory by directing funding to favorable projects and
complient researchers. They control the publishers and decide what will be
written in text books and they thereby control the minds of the populace
by controlling what they are allowed to learn. The ultimate aim is the
same for controlling Santa Claus. And that aim is money and power. "Yeah, [Buddhism is] really organized, considering
Siddhartha was an athiest, but as Buddhism spread throughout China,
Southeast Asia, and Japan it became a religion that had local gods,
demons, spirits and the like. They even worship Buddha statues." "Just because microorganism's have been identified,
their origins haven't, and who's to say that demons or works of demons
cannot take the shape of microorganism's?" "wow..so nothing in science is certain then...I was
not aware of this." "You are breathing aren't you?...You think you do
that on your own?...God enables you to do this." "... [intelligent design advocates] have been
offering evidence for years, but religious presupposition (atheism) blinds
the powers that be in the "scientific community" from reaching
the correct conclusions about the empirical evidence." "Does the theory of evolution solve all your problems
and answer all your questions? When the doctors have given up and have no
cure, can you turn to the theory of evolution for help? You can turn to
God, I have seen people at deaths door recover, because God moved and
healed them." "But we don't have "freedom of speech," do
we? Our children cannot pray in their schools. We cannot use God's name in
our Pledge of Allegience. These were the freedoms that our founding
fathers sought to preserve." "You don't see the logic [in an innocent man, Jesus,
dying for the crimes of the guilty while they get off scot-free] because
you don't know God or His perfect justice" "I have been studding Catholicism for only a short
time and I can see the fallacies with it. Yet again you go to the
"You need to be informed" argument. Seriously that is so
passé." "Going to mass, Y'all worship the Pope like a god, "How is it that God is cruel. who is it that does wrong, us or him. Suppose you mum said dont eat the cookie from the cookie jar. Would you do it, probably. So you go and do |