Fundies Say the Darndest Things! July 2003 Edition
Last Updated July 28, 2003



"They apparently just believe it because the R[oman]C[atholic]C[hurch] says so. Translation -- gullible meter off the scale."
- cheezit, RaptureReady


"And if the bible says the sun stopped do you have proof that it didn't?"
- Badfish, ChristianForums


"Gay rights huh. Well, if its illegal for me to drive down the street without my seatbelt on then they can't have gay sex."
- jo-shmo, ChristianForums


"This entire subject is based on the mind, and how you think. Period. That is extremely relevant. If you do not think those thoughts, this conversation would never be brought up. The only way to do this is by thinking correct? How is the mind irrelevant than? The question is, does the bible prohibit such thoughts, and does it tell us what to contemplate on."
- Venom, ABC Bodybuilding Forum


"Were telling you the thoughts you're thinking are sin, you should never contemplate on them willfully."
- Venom, ABC Bodybuilding Forum


"I know a lot about evolution. I studied it both in and out of school. You can call me an expert on the subject. The more I learned about evolution, the more I knew it doesn't exsist. The opposite is true for the bible, from my observations. The more one learns about God and the bible, the more they believe!"
- Yu Yevon, ABC Bodybuilding Forum


"If you talk in a non religious sense you don't have the right for anything. Awww you don't get a lawyer ? Tough shit, get over it. Awww you got murdered? Tough shit, only the strong survive. You have to get religious before you start mentioning rights."
- alien_syndm, UndergroundScene Forums


"... the ark [Noah built] would have to carry the genetic data banks to allow for the creation of all these species."
- alien_syndm, UndergroundScene Forums, explaining how all thоse millions of animals could fit on it


"... its ok most of the scientists you are obviously reading about just guess alot of their work anyway."
- alien_syndm, UndergroundScene Forums, replying to scientific critiques of creationistm


"There are scientists currently challenging some of einsteins theories of relativity, talking about a variable speed of light and so on, will this mean he will fall into the same realm as [Kent] Hovind then?"
- alien_syndm, UndergroundScene Forums


"I could also add noone can actually prove whether the earth revolves round the sun or the sun revolves round the earth either, which do you believe to be true ?"
- alien_syndm, UndergroundScene Forums


"If it doesn't fit in with current thinking it just has to be wrong. Look what almost happened to galileo!! "
- alien_syndm, UndergroundScene Forums, sarcastically (and ironically) referring to creationism


"Do you actually think the hardcore scientific community would let through a paper from a creationist bulldog if it seriously fucked up some of their ideas even if it was absolutely water-tight with? I don't think so somehow."
- alien_syndm, UndergroundScene Forums


"Would it even matter if I did quote you some examples as I am sure you would find some way to discredit them, people believe what they want to believe. Not necessarily what evidence points towards."
- alien_syndm, UndergroundScene Forums


"By saying you do not belive in God you are acknowledging its existance. If people believe in a God, then it exists for them and from their point of view it exists for other people aswell."
- musink, UndergroundScene Forums


"If God made the world and us he also gave us the power to understand science so if he made the rules of science he could easily make it look like there was no proof of anything he's done 'cause if there was he'd dissapear "
- Red_Baron, UndergroundScene Forums


"If you;d read the rest of my post I said one theory for God not providing any solid proof is that to reveal himself to everyone would disprove other beliefs or maybe all beliefs so he disprove the existance of himself."
- Red_Baron, UndergroundScene Forums


"Plus scienctific evidence only relates to life on this planet as being 10,000 years old. So how can people have existed hundreds of thousands plus 60 thousand years of age?"
- PSXKiller, TeamXbox Forums


"I wouldn't be so sure, nothing is proven, and as it is, while mirco evolution works very well, marco evolution (apes to man) has glaring impracticalities yet to be overcome. "
- zooropa_boy, TeamXbox Forums


"Please give me evidence of a single, positive mutation that was passed along genetically and not rejected in one generation. Go on, I'm waiting."
- SpaceGhost2K, TeamXbox Forums, apparently oblivious to antibiotic immunity and such


"Finally, where's the Muslim Red Cross? Where's the Buddhist AIDS Support groups? Where's the Hindu version of the Salvation Army or the Good Samaritans?"
- SpaceGhost2K, TeamXbox Forums, blissfully unaware of organizations like the Red Crescent, Buddhist AIDS Project and Bhaktivedanta International Food Relief


"Christianity is not being superstitious. Superstition is any belief that is inconsistent with known facts or rational thought."
- Ritza, BET Message Boards


"I think all of you are being idiots for believing in No-God and bs like that...How would everything start with out him and are you saying everything in the bible is just made up which is pretty much impossable.. Also im pretty sure the worship of God is the longest standing religon."
- dude4, Utopia Temple Forums


"... you damn athiests are allowed to have things that degrade Christianity and try to make religous scriptures 'like the 10 commandments' that there is nothing wrong with come off buildings. If you took time to read them you will find out that there is nothing that will offend you..."
- dude4, Utopia Temple Forums


"About the rest of your post- where in the bible does it say that God had sons and they married mortal women and that stuff that sounds very similar to Greek mythology?"
- Lord Drizzt, Utopia Temple Forums


"Humans WERE giants in those days. They were 13 freaking feet tall."
- Lord Drizzt, Utopia Temple Forums


"Dude, there is. Don't ask me for a link, though, I saw the article on TV."
- Lord Drizzt, Utopia Temple Forums, replying to "why isn't there archaelogical evidence of giants?"


"So you are saying that cos we have no fossil records of giants they don't exist? I thought you believed in evolution..."
- dravid, Utopia Temple Forums


"All the way down to David and Goliath, giants are mentioned. So you tell me, if we have historical accounts of giants from eye witnesses, why do we need a fossil?"
- dravid, Utopia Temple Forums


*** Honorary Doublethink Award ***

"When I said free from sin I meant that the above preachers do not commit sin. I didn't say they weren't sinners."
- kj211988, Utopia Temple Forums


"I'm not a Christian. Notice is 'they' can't find any other reason to be right, then 'they' go to the basic religious insult."
- Laci, Internet Infidels, replying to "Is that the Christian way, wishing other people dead?"; as of the evening she posted, her profile included "catholic" in the Beliefs field.


"When we're hit with a crises every Jew, Christian, Atheist, Secularist, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and Communist turns to God for relief ."
- oneabdi, BlizzForums


"Children are very trusting as you pointed out about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. They will believe just about anything you tell them. That is why God loves them so much... "
- Totally Transformed, ChristianForums


"The Gospels and Acts have a emphasis on reporting historical facts, not mythology."
- Lanakila, ChristianForums


"Death is not a big deal. It is just a milisecond in a souls eternal existance. Even if in agony, or suffering. Death is a blessing."
- HomeBound, ChristianForums, commenting on Old Testament atrocities involving the wholesale murder of children


"I think a good proof that God exists would have to be the fact that there are Jews in the world today."
- chaverjim, ChristianForums


"The abscence of fossils is the huge problem for evolution. There's no inbetween forms- no frog-cats, no dog-birds, no ape-men."
- Tavi, Defending the Faith Forums


"It amazes me that some still use the same erroneous arguments in supporting their rejection of scripture."
- Moses, Defending the Faith Forums


"On the contrary, there is no point to prove by a believer of God, the burden of proof is on the non believer – for God’s creation declares His existence as Romans 1:20 tell us..."
- Moses, Defending the Faith Forums


*** Bizarre Creationist Assertion of the Month ***

"Chances are, before Adam and Eve fell into sin, the moon had life on it. As well as the other planets. When the earth is restored, the whole solar system will be restored and once again there will be life of some sort on the moon."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"You might want to call Hollywood and complain... but they are all a bunch of heathens and wouldn't listen to you anyway."
- goat37, ChristianForums


"Heaven will be the ultimate joining of Church and State. Get used to it."
- bluetrinity, ChristianForums


"... every religion says basically this: you live a good life and God will love you and you go to heaven. This is the breading ground for religious zealotry. However, Christianity says that we are already saved and loved by God because of what Jesus did for us. That's why true Christianity can never be oppressive."
- bluetrinity, ChristianForums


"YEC ... Biblical Creationism ... is not a religion, which is why it doesn't fit a definition of religion. It is the promotion of the proper scholarship of God's infallible Word ... "
- Sher, TheologyWeb


*** Post of the Month for July 2003 ***

[Commenting on GodHatesFags.com] "Wow, I didn't go further into the site than the front page - but this is straight to the point truth. I don't agree with his polemic approach - but it is truth nevertheless. How does this cause harm, other than his offensive approach upsetting the criminal element it is aimed at? Thanks for the reference because I never would have found this on my own, by the way. I don't search out this kind of stuff, I have no interest in it - but it's nice to see someone is proactive and addresses the criminal activity of homosexuality straight on like this."
- Thomas2003, TheologyWeb


"Ok, all you SCIENCE GEEKS.......let me have it! Here is the newest content on my website... I use the Bible to prove that our Sun is not a star and discuss the ramifications if it is true. Interested in comments, dissenting views FROM THE BIBLE, etc."
- Rebornempowered, RaptureReady


"This verse [Mat 24:29] tells us two different prophetic destinies for the Sun and stars. it says:
1. the Sun will be darkened, and
2. the stars will fall from the heaven

Since the sun is a star, is it going to also fall from heaven? The verse doesn't say that. Further proof of the sun and stars having different destinies is the following verse is Psalm, which tells us the Sun will be around forever:
Psa 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun:

We also read in Revelation the Sun is present but is not necessary due to the brightness of the Son of God. But Jesus tells us the stars will fall from heaven.

Please reconcile the two different prophetic destinies of the Sun and stars as laid out above according to the words of Jesus."
- Rebornempowered, RaptureReady


"1. You don't see how quoting the Bible proves anything? Hmm...well, I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and every jot and tittle is there for a reason.

2. Yes, the Bible IS a science book. It is full of science, and I recommend you listen to the teaching by Chuck Missler titled "In the Beginning there was Information"...

3. If the Sun is not a star, then the qualities of our Sun do not apply to stars. Assumptions about other stars being like our Sun, inherent in the Big Bang theory, are thus faulty."
- Rebornempowered, RaptureReady


"No I didn't know any of what you stated. I'm not a scientist. But, if stars are [usually] binary, and our Sun is not binary, doesn't that lend more evidence to the notion that the Sun is not a star?"
- Rebornempowered, RaptureReady


*** Post of the Week for July 27-August 2, 2003 ***

"I stick to my stated goal: to prove using only the Bible that the Sun is not a star. Can you answer the question I posed to m1a1 in my reply above about Matthew 24:29? What about the creation story where it says God created the Sun, then 'he made the stars also'? "
- Rebornempowered, RaptureReady


"That is not the logic I'm using at all, Yoda. The Bible clearly distinguished between the sun and stars. The Sun is not a name for our star like Lassie is the name of a dog. According to the Bible, the sun is different from the stars, had a different beginning, and will endure forever. Stars, on the other hand, will fall from the heavens in the future."
- Rebornempowered, RaptureReady


"What else can the Sun be? It can be a special electrical plasma body that Creator God put in the sky for our benefit. It is not a thermonuclear reactor as 'modern science' believes, because there are several problems with that theory. If you were to read my essay at the link posted above, you would understand those problems. The stars are there for signs - signs of the gospel story since the creation week. Simply read the Bible..."
- Rebornempowered, RaptureReady


"I just read the page that you linked above, and I'm sorry, but that is one of the weakest argumentative papers I've read in a long time. At one point, you use the Satanically inspired Koran to prove a point!"
- Rebornempowered, RaptureReady


"... to adhere to the belief that the Bible does not have good science within it just because some theologians write it in a book they wrote is very sad."
- Rebornempowered, RaptureReady


"I don't give a rat's ass about Occam's Razor. That's just another idol people worship."
- emotional, Internet Infidels


"Yes, science has got us out of the 'Dark Ages', certainly, but at what price? I think I'd be much happier if I were living in the so-called Dark Ages than now. Then there was certainty, now only doubt all the time."
- emotional, Internet Infidels


"If you say there is no reason to believe in theistic evolution, I will agree with you. I find theistic evolution the best way to keep my cherished beliefs without having to go to war against the facts. Theistic evolution is a compromise, certainly, but it's the only way to keep vital faith without resorting to creationism. If someone should convince me that theistic evolution is an untenable position, I will inevitably become a creationist, because full-fledged materialism is for me not an option."
- emotional, Internet Infidels


"And I also believe I have a right to ignore science when it conflicts with my personal happiness. Scientists have the freedom to give naturalistic interpretations to Near-Death Experiences, and I have the right to ignore those interpretations completely. I accept heliocentrism and evolution because the price to pay is not unbearable; but I will never accept a scientific finding that points to the absence of life after death - that's really too much to bear."
- emotional, Internet Infidels


"No scientific evidence, verified or unverified, can be allowed to take precedence over the existence of life after death. That is my dogma, my fixed assumption, and I have an absolute and desperate stake in that belief. If I stop believing in life after death, I shall find myself in a lunatic asylum very soon. I will not debate life after death, and I will not look at evidence against life after death. I believe in theistic evolution because it provides the promise of an afterlife."
- emotional, Internet Infidels


"My attitude towards science is very much one of mistrust, contempt and fear. Man had many comforts of faith in the past, such as geocentrism and special creationism, and science has done all to violate those shrines. I concede heliocentrism and evolution, but I will not let science touch God and the afterlife. If science says there is no God and no afterlife, then science can go to hell."
- emotional, Internet Infidels


"I use reason for most of life. When I drive my car, I use reason and logic, so I'm quite safe to be driving by. But as concerns beginnings and endings, logic and reason lead to a place where I do not want to go, so I dispense with them. I assure you, I have no choice in the matter: it is either faith or the lunatic asylum for me."
- emotional, Internet Infidels


"While we do encourage people who are coming here to ask questions and learn all they can, it's not here for the promotion or defense of other beliefs."
- Werner, Moderator of RaptureReady


"Those who believed the earth was flat, whether Christians or not, did so based on their limited understanding of observations they made....very much like evolutionists today. Like theistic evolutionists today, Christians who believed the earth was flat tried to distort and misinterpret the clear teaching of Scripture in order to 'save face' with the 'scientific' community."
- fbridges2, RaptureReady


"I understand this. Let me rephrase: If a natural explanation cannot be given then a supernatural one may be assumed."
- davinci, CreationTalk


"For example, a prophecy about 'not one stone shall be left on another' doesn't literally mean that if you can find 2 stones that were unseperated the prophecy is disproved."
- Ketam, Utopia Temple Forums


"This just goes to prove that there are fools through out history."
- Mgriffin, ChristianForums, replying to 'Ancient Greeks first postulated evolution'


"It [that insult] was meant to be constructive. Scholars use to think the earth was flat, the Sun rotated around the earth, fly’s came from rotting meat, and today they believe we cam from a rock that came from scattered dust that came from nothing exploding."
- Mgriffin, ChristianForums


"During the tribulation period that is exactly what they will do. Just like at the beginning of the church they liked to feed the Christians to the lions. Of course every now and then a christian comes along like Daniel that has enough of the power of God in them to shut the mouth of the lion."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"I think evolution is flat out stupid. The big bang theory has been disproved by natural laws of physics."
- hustonnothouston, ChristianForums


"They say that this fish evolved from having eyes to having no eyes, becuse down their on the ocean floor there is no light, so the eyes became a vestigial structure and eventually disappeared altogether. they say that is proof for evolution. well, show me a fossilized fish with half an eyeball."
- hustonnothouston, ChristianForums


"This is something that stems from the desires (Usually males) that one has towards the opposite sex, that when you are not exposed to the opposite sex, warps to a same sex tendency."
- antsinmypants, RaptureReady


"Now it is becoming more and more where a person who believes homosexuality is wrong is going to be put in jail by the thought police. You watch!"
- Extirpated Wildlife, ChristianForums


"Ok for this thread i'm hypotheticaly an atheist... Can you give me any reason why i should care about morality or the care and concern for others , after all...those things are only christian ideals aren't they ?   and i'm an atheist and couldn't care less about christian ideals ."
- Brain Damage, ChristianForums


"Morality, belief in God and accepted standards make for an ordered and civilized life. Do you want to live in fear of your fellow man or live in security? Belief in Jesus should keep people acting in such a way that society benefits greatly."
- panterapat, ChristianForums


"Guys! guys! guys! i'm not saying that atheists don't have morals or ethics , i'm saying that if 'I' were an atheist i wouldn't bother with them.... And once again...if i want to rape and pillage your village then why not! Can you give me a reason outside of christendom why i shouldn't do these things."
- Brain Damage, ChristianForums


"Once again i am recieving a lot of christian morals and ethics such as : Do unto others as you would have them do unto you . But that's not what i want , what i want is a non christian view as to why i shouldn't do these things."
- Brain Damage, ChristianForums


"Atheists are comfy because they don't have a higher being to answer to, and do not have to sacrifice anything that God has asked of them, so atheism is the 'easy' way out. That is until it's time for judgement."
- Badfish™, ChristianForums


"First of all.... it must really suck to be an atheist..... to live for no purpose....to live with no true meaning in our lives. there are so many things that prove the existence of God. Nature itself even proves that there is a creator. Morality and the complexity of nature."
- themac63, ChristianForums


"Honestly, atheists are genetically inferior beings. God has predestined them to their retarded state. I truly believe that Satan will use them as toilet paper in hell. God has given us a sign against atheism. It is their undeniable ugliness that gives them away. 95% of atheists would rate below a 2 on hotornot.com. If this is not proof, then I don't know what is. You are ugly."
- themac63, ChristianForums


"sorry my roomate got on my name and thought it would be funny"
- themac63, ChristianForums


"really though... i was just messing around before... i am seriously curious about the views of an atheist..."
- themac63, ChristianForums


"In a way athiests can be like ADHD children (BTW thank-you for your help to the ADHD's) Their mind is here and there and everywhere but often cannot focus on what is right in front of them and obvious to others."
- panterapat, ChristianForums


"What I said regarding David Blaine still stands (a couple of nights ago I saw another of his TV specials) - that is, unless they used actors, or edited the video afterwards, some of the things he did were actually supernatural manifestations... King Juan Carlos of Spain is quite likely the Antichrist. There is no 'hallucination' involved in this..."
- Godsword, FStDT! Guestbook


*** Post of the Week for July 20-26, 2003 ***

"Still haven't overcome your irritating tendency towards silly juvenile mockery, have you? For the (?) time, it was ONE demon on the roof, and it was merely WALKING."
- Godsword, FStDT! Guestbook


"Creationist has [sic] never gone outside the limits of an experiment by an evolutionist or whatnot. A creationist isnt going to make up data to verify their claim, and if you stopped saying 'no, it aint true' all the time you'd see that."
- worship4ever, ChristianForums


"Without sounding to critical, I must say that most people I encounter who believe in evolution, are quite literally uneducated people. I am not saying that evolutionists are uneducated at all, there are a lot of uneducated Creationists as well. What I am pointing out is that people seem to believe things before really going through it. Why do people believe evolution? Because it is simple to understand? Because it is what is taught in school? "
- Ploegman, CreationTalk


"Occam's razor states that the simplist explaination to a problem is probably the correct one. Isn't the theory that God created everything over just a few days much simpler than the theory that the stars, planets, and cell originated by themselves, followed by cells connecting together over several million years to form extremely complex organisms?"
- Northern Christian, ChristianForums


"The false concepts and ideas from evolution are used constantly as a marketing tool to target kids, FlavoRite Fruit Snack Boxes, Quaker oatmeal with dinosaur eggs, and many more products in which they are in contact with."
- Nomadic_One, Straight Dope Message Board


"To an evolutionist, the idea that an almighty God created everything is pure foolishness. And don’t take kindly to those who don’t fall for their imagination. Just look at evolution’s prevalence in places where people claim to be learned."
- Nomadic_One, Straight Dope Message Board


*** Post of the Week for July 13-19, 2003 ***

"And how could Muhammed be in the Bible? He wasn't born until 500 years after it was written."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels, replying to a Muslim apologist invoking alleged prophecies in the Old Testament


"Of course Creationism should be taught in schools! It's the only theory on the origins of reality that has evidence to support it. We could teach evolution in public schools, but it would take forever to teach all of the facts that refute it."
- Northern Christian, ChristianForums


"I believe you are refering to when a single woman is raped and then given in marriage to her attacker. he is never allowed to leave her, as defined in the old testament laws. I believe this system was in place to protect the woman and any offsrping she might have as a result."
- EstherRose, Internet Infidels


"DNA evidence says Book of Mormon a lie! What a suprise... I just watched a video intitled 'DNA v.s. Book of Mormon' It shows how DNA evidence proves that Native Americans are not decendents of Israelites which is the entire basis of the BOM's story. So if you totally remove Joseph Smith's account of the BOM what are you left with? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!"
- Jesusfreak40, RaptureReady


"I'm watching this now and it's just another piece of evidence in the long line of evidences that proves Joseph Smith was not a prophet of God nor is the BofM true. I anticapate the spin doctors soon......"
- galpster1, RaptureReady


"Really DocT. You ignore the truth of the Scriptures, so why would we be impressed with your pushing a book of a false religion? "
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady, replying to a Mormon apologist with some handy creationist-like rationalizations


"I read the BoM and I have done research with genetics. The finding is valid. The BoM is false and Doc, you just are not going to see the truth until you remove those blinders the Mormons have given you."
- Becky, Administrator of RaptureReady


"There is a specific genetic marker for Jews and I think the fact that you are against this shows up in your bias against the findings... When I described you had blinders on is valid. You need to take them off and look at the facts."
- Becky, Administrator of RaptureReady


*** Post of the Week for July 6-12, 2003 ***

"My point is that if these scholars' research is so impressive ( be they mormon or non-mormon), why do we find that our educational systems around the world do not accept it as 'actual history' and validate such scholarship by presenting it in an acreditted 'history' course?"
- Bock, RaptureReady


"Actually, he'll probably be able to cite several Mormon university 'archaeologists' who claim to have found evidence, however as a professional archaeologist (now in another career), I can state that absolutely none of the research was credible. In fact the archaeologists I hung out with regarded it as a joke. The question should be, Is there any non-Mormon professional archaeologist who supports the civilization you claim in the book of Mormon based on the evidence found?"
- Jade, RaptureReady


"Seems kind of odd that just about the only people that don't believe that the Mormon church is a cult are the Mormons."
- cheezit, RaptureReady


"I noticed everyone LOVES natural selection. I know what it is, and i've read the definition from webster a few times. I wanna know, how can this inatimate object can tell a species, 'your not fitting into your enivronment well, your gone' Or how it tells a species to alter itself to improve the survibility of that species. Natural selection in not a person, place, or thing, its nothing. How can nothing tell something to change or die?"
- worship4ever, ChristianForums


"If everything came from a single cell, how do we get male and female. Obviously a single cell doesnt have a particular sex, neither does simple forms of life."
- worship4ever, ChristianForums


"For example, without Scripture you have no way of determining the nature of the universe."
- TheFiveSolas, TheologyWeb


"Oh yeah, and as far as stripping God and the Holy Bible out of our laws and governments, then how exactly do we determine what should or shouldn't be a law? Please tell me that."
- rbruns, RaptureReady


"I cannot support gay marriage, as that means gay adoption. Gay adoption equates to sexual abuse."
- MrMannn, RaptureReady


"I will NOT mission to AIDS or HIV infected people. I have NO intention of getting a disease from them accidentally. I have NO intention of paying that price for THEIR lifestyle choice.... I believe there was a REASON that God commanded the Israelites to put those people with contagious diseases OUTSIDE of the camp and away from all the healthy people!"
- A.Rachel, RaptureReady


"Don't Ask Me For Money to Fight AIDS.... You asked for it."
- dallas, RaptureReady


"The Bible tells us that we should have nothing to do with magic. I take this to mean no books on magic, no television shows on magic, no card games based on magic, no computer games on magic, nothing. Period."
- Michael_RR, RaptureReady


"On the other hand...this witchcraft/occult stuff is all over kids TV...when I went to Disney world a few years back I was completely shocked by the blatant display of witches, goblins, wizards, dragons, spells being casted ,etc......"
- SensibleThinker, RaptureReady


"Why anyone would defend a Catholic is beyond me. We need to pray for their salvation, just like every other lost person on earth."
- lookinupval, RaptureReady


"Why isn't the Vatican denouncing Harry Potter books? Same reason they didn't have the guts to denounce Hilter..."
- RaptureNewbie, RaptureReady, in the cake-taking bad analogy of the century


"CATHOLICS, PLEASE READ MY WEB PAGE... You're only in the RCC because of emotional attachments or because you fear that if you accept the real truth, you also have to accept the real truth that maybe not all your relatives will be waiting for you in heaven..."
- RaptureNewbie, RaptureReady


"Believe me, we are not dumb enough to think that all of our relatives are going to be there. It makes my heart sick, that my dear grandmother, who was Catholic, will not be there..."
- pam2003, RaptureReady


"If the Catholic Church is against the Left Behind series then the books are probably closer to the truth than I thought."
- linuxpenguin, RaptureReady


"Why would someone put something so stupid on their car?? That isjust asking for a car accident. No angels around that car."
- MindieRose, RaptureReady, On a Christian-satirizing bumper sticker


"I speak of the gay who ignores the warning of God, proudly engages in his sinfull lifestyle, makes no attempt to repent, and on top of that calls himself a 'Christian' like the gay churches do. A gay church is like a brothel. It is a cesspool of sexual sin, an alternate bathhouse. Its an evil mockery of all that is good."
- MrMannn, RaptureReady


"I am not picking on a particular sin, here. God has singled this out for very serious reasons. Few sins carry an automatic 'Eternal Death Penalty.' This is one of them. It was serious enough to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorah."
- MrMannn, RaptureReady


"You asked for evidence that the bible exists. Even an atheist can go to a hotel, open a draw and find a gideons. Your proof as requested."
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"The are no proofs that the creator does not exist, only your doubts, given to you by Satan."
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"Do you have any doubts that your creator doesnt exist? I would like to hear one proof that God doesnt exist. If you are free to make such outlandish statements, perhaps you would like to back them up."
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"The burden of proof is with those who wish to suggest the obvious is not."
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"The length of the year, planned out so that the earth will be back in excactly the same spot, exactly one year later. If you choose to place a number of days that it should take then that is your own mankind logic trying to impose its rules on your creator. That is futile and Satans desire."
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"If rational is holding you back, then perhaps you should dump it... dont know what all this rational thought does for you, but if it allows satan to control you, then it is evil."
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"If science is causing you troubles, then you need to remember that it is usually wrong, what is said in the morning is refuted in the afternoon. The bible has never been wrong."
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"You want to blind me with data? Most scientists are christians, the best ones , of which there are many believe the bible."
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"I dont think I like Thomas Pain[e] much... He sounds very possessed."
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"Science is a religion, a very proud one, complete with high priests, believers, faith and mysticism. You wave your mobile phone in the air and proclaim your truths to the radio waves, the aztecs had their glittering baubles that spoke of their achievements too, but how much truth did they have?"
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"Science is run by man, and so is one of the tools of the devil as well as one of the tools of man. Computers were the tool of satan, the great enslaver of mankind. have you ever seen anyone happy at work on a computer?"
- Georgia, Biblical Pitfalls


"A Christian does not question God, requiring logical proof. Romans 1:17 - 2 Corinthians 5:7 - Galatians 2:20 and 3:11 - Hebrews 10:38 We live by faith not by sight....

Let the logic cease!"
- boisemom, ChristianBoard.com


"OK Let's see what developes here. But we will not permit this thread to develop into a shooting gallery, where the athiests claim to disprove Christianity through logic. P.S. my previous comments still stand."
- boisemom, ChristianBoard.com


"yeah, personally I don't like hard rock, but I don't think the beat in itself is inherently evil or anything, although I heard stories how the beat in rock music is scarily similar to the beat that Satan worshipers used."
- amanriel, ChristianBoard.com


"A person getting arrested on Federal felony charges for [contempt of court by refusing to stop] displaying the Ten Commandments? How much longer before Christians will be worshipping in the catacombs again? We need a President like Emperor Constantine, who will make Christianity legal again."
- TheCrusader, FreeRepublic


"I hope Moore ignores them. Let's see the court enforce its own order [to remove the 10C from a courthouse]. The bastards deserve to be hung for treason."
- rwfromkansas, FreeRepublic


"Ah who ever said the sun is heavier [than the earth]? Scientists(man) not God . Sun is made up of gases which are lighter than the earth's surface.It makes alot more sense for the sun to go around the earth. THere is nothing egotistical about that. God made man his center of attention."
- 6000yrs., CreationTalk


"Evolution is in my mind untrue and a evil self centred belief, you put the soul of a child on the same level as a, lets say pit bull dog!"
- Nasa, CreationTalk


"But dishonesty should not be susprising -- the whole reason they push evolution is to exclude a Creator who has given us absolute moral laws (e.g. against dishonesty)."
- Socrates, TheologyWeb


"I have a rather unorthodox view of Hercules and the Greek and Roman pantheon, even though I'm a christian. I believe the stories about Hercules are probably based on a real person or group of people. There may have been some 'Fine-tuning' along the way, such as the evolution of the stories about King Arthur, but for the most part, his story is probably based on real events with some added window dressing."
- Undomiel, TheologyWeb


"Islam is a combination of evolved Enlil and Ba'al worship mixed with a little historical judaism to give it form and shape. Allah is Satan. An old enemy stuffed into a new wrapper."
- Undomiel, TheologyWeb


"And to say you're turning away from Christianity, and you're no longer an ex-wiccan, just remember you're turning away from the Great, Holy, and Infallible God .... and you're turning to satan."
- Chrystalwuzhere, RaptureReady


"If you choose the lake of fire over this, well, its your own fault. Wicca is a nothing religion. There is no power in its magic... Wicca is just a fantasy/escapism entertainment."
- MrMannn, RaptureReady


*** Pot and Kettle Award ***

"A curse isn't even believeable. The wiccan casts the curse and waits for something bad to happen to the victim. since bad things happen all the time, sure enough some generic bad thing will happen, and then the wiccan pronounces his success. Wow. What magical power. [/sarcasm off]"
- MrMannn, RaptureReady


"Why aren't wiccans the only ones who win lotteries? Where is the divination spells? Where is the healing magic. All the wiccans I know go to doctors. there IS no real magic in wicca."
- MrMannn, RaptureReady


"You are trading truth for a bad fake. I never saw any real magic out of a wiccan. Sure there might be a few pryotechnics, but they are tricks. It must be a sad religion indeed when stage magicians have better spells than wiccans. Street magicians have better spells!"
- MrMannn, RaptureReady


"The ACLU are god haters and are earning their place in destruction. They need prayer, cause satan is their god."
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady


"This is an outrage. Just because some atheists whine and cry about the Ten Commandments they are gonna be moved. I see nothing wrong with them. I beleive the first admendment gave us the Freedom of Religion not Freedom FROM Religion... I cant stand your damn Atheists ACLU communist punks."
- nbritt, FanHome Boards


"One of these days you liberals and card carrying ACLU dirtbags are gonna push your beleifs too far."
- nbritt, FanHome Boards


"In short, morality is the most stringent behavioral code and requires a belief in god (of some sort)."
- dlb, FanHome Boards


"When I am commanded by leaders such as Rev. Falwell, or Rev. Robertson, or Rev. Graham, I will do nothing but obey. I am a follower of the Greatest and most Honorable man alive, President George W. Bush. I can't tell you, hf-for life, how thankful I am to be alive in this greatest and heroic era defined by such a Champion. I thank Jesus Christ for it everyday."
- Black Light D, ProChoiceTalk.com


"I support illegalizing s--, drugs, immoral gatherings, whatever, and I will not be afraid to state that, but my purpose on this earth was simply to save the unborn children, and smash the pervert movement. That is all I live for. As well as caring for the afflicted. "
- Black Light D, ProChoiceTalk.com


"Very real and Very against God! Nothing good can come out of trying to imitate the Only Creator!!"
- Isaiah 53, Christianity.com Forums, commenting on embryonic research while, ironically, contradicting Matthew 5:48


"Yes, I know what this means: those people in South America (or anywhere) that don't believe in Jesus just because they didn't hear about Him will go to hell. That's what's fair and just after all. This is not by my standards mind you, but by God's. I am not being cruel and heartless by saying such things, because God can not and will not let sin go unpunished, and if the people don't accept Jesus they must pay for it themselves."
- Fox aBlaZe, GameFAQs


"Everything I say to folks can be backed up with a PLAIN reading of scripture. If its a tougher issue with seemingly contradictory passages I will simply state that all passages are true and I have little or no understanding of the true nature of them, hence anything I say is in line with the bible."
- Follower of Christ, ChristianForums


"well I do see a problem with lusting about anyone, even your wife."
- kc78, RaptureReady


"Atheists have no basic foundations. They can easily be converted or deceived by the Devil."
- ValenII, ChristianForums




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