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Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
December 2003 Edition
[Replying to 'why does the Bible not have mention of
dealing with chemically imbalanced people?'] "There is, most got
straightened out when they met Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is THE
answer." [Replying to 'so we should treat them like Jesus did, i.e.
as possessed?'] "It wouldn't hurt, but He's not here right now....
the best thing is to see it they are saved." [Replying to 'Is the mental condition physical or
spiritual?'] "Its probably physical, but I'm not a doctor. What do
the doctors say?" [Inadvertently out-of-context, misquoted post removed, with apologies to Firebird81] "... marriage is about forming the best possible
environ in which to procreate (and MORE IMPORTANTLY) raise children.
Homosexuals, by definition, cannot... Thus, they are not eligible for the
priviledges." "God didnt create him........he was an angel who
sined and got kicked out of heaven." *** Conspiracy Theory of the Month *** "Another thing I just found out. I got that
information (how scientists measure radiometric dating [and its
limitations]) out of a book... the source of that statment, an article
from the Annals of New York Academy of Science, volume 288... The[ir]
website...has almost every single volume of that magazine- except volume
288! They know. They know that if a creationist got ahold of that sort of
information... there will be hell to pay. Sure, it sounds like an Evil
Atheist Conspiricy like WinAce has on his homepage- but I think that's
what it is." "I think we would all be suprised at the times the
devil and his followers have TRIED to kill us but couldn't." "Have you considered leaving anything even slightly
catholic related? Maybe a nice Christian church for a change?" "NO NOT LIES.......i have a list of famous
satanist....J.R.R. Tolkien, Ben Franklin, Edward Crowley... i know what
the hell i'm tlaking about this time....i read up on this." "Its kinds cool all the things scientist have found
that point to God and his existance. God created everything and everyone
and I think DarkPrimus [a sarcastic atheist] said it best when he said 1.)
I exist... 2.) You exsist... 3.) therefore God exist" "I know he was just making fun of christians but he
made a very good piont and it would be wrong for me to restate it without
giving him the credit... ( FYI... zues was disproven over two thousand
years ago. He and the other gods and goddess were just fairy tales like
Cinderella or Snow White.)" "No duh! I just got finished saying that I thought
you made a good point and wanted to quote you therefore I had to give you
the credit." "Abortion is MURDER! Even before the zygote forms
(when the [sperm] and egg meet), the cells are living, which makes it
MURDER when you perform abortion!" "Why shouldn't employers be required to include birth
control coverage in their health care plans? Because birth control is
morally wrong, intrinsically and inherently evil. The fruits of birth
control include fornication, adultery, sterility, homosexuality, aids, the
breakdown of family, divorce and abortion... It is evil because it
violates the dignity of the human person... Why not pay for birth control?
Simple. It's wrong." "Sorry, I'll take God truth over your 'reasoning' and
'logic' anyday..." "Evolution is an elaborate fairy tale propigated by
atheists. They are hell bent on explaining away their Creator as if they
could only disbelieve hard enough maybe they could make reality go
away." "The theory that man evolved from an amoeba is, of
course, bunk. I will not dispute that." "That is what the bible calls the demonic... The
problem is that those who reject God also reject the exsistance of ANY
spiritual beings and therefore are very easily deceived into calling them
ghosts, aliens, mental disorders or whatever other name that is given
these strange phenomena." "How many of these mental disorders are actually
demonically infliuenced? If it were as simple a thing as speking the name
of Jesus in faith and curing them? Does it not seem worth investigation?
Yet most will reject the idea out of hand." "Now in terms of this research? It is easy to see
where this will eventually lead. ALL people who are believers in Jesus
Christ (especially funda'mental'ists) will eventually be considered
'mentaly challenged' and a threat to the next stage of mans evolution. If
you think not? Just sit back and watch." [Replying to 'we know that John is reliable because Christ
says so, and we know that Christ tells us so because John is reliable?']
"Boy Martin, I sure am going to pray for you sir. Mocking the Lord
this way. What a shame. When He tells you to depart from Him, you wont be
mocking at all. More like weeping and gnashing of teeth... because of your
mocking, God hardens your heart. With the attitude you have shown here
tonight, He will hide the truth from you until the day you stand face to
face with Him." "And defending Martin by saying that you find the
proof of inspiration 'ridiculously circular' as well thereby insinuating
somehow that r8ermang doesnt have the right then to speak a scriptural
truth because its insulting to you too really just doesnt hold water. You
have the Holy Spirit within you to testify to these truths that Martin
doesn't- therefore the 'proof' of inspiration that you have isn't circular
at all..." "The scientific theory believes that 'chance' gave
every living organism to evolve into a greater species. Much like monkeys
into humans." "I did not say that we came from monkeys. I said that
evolutionists believe we evolved from them. Read carefully now..." [On gay marriage] "its not right thats ALL there is
too it there is no need for explanation it is just not right not that hard
to understand really." "God made a way at great cost to Himself- the only
thing He asks us to do is believe through faith... As Occam's Razor says-
who has something to lose here? Those who believe or those who
don't?" "I didn't think logicality would be an issue.
Logically you should use the Bible as a guide. Having an unbeliever's
logic on this subject is not very logical." "im just wondering what u evolutionist think on the
3rd(or the 2nd, not sure) law of thermodynamics also called entropy, which
is the tendancy for things to get worse instead of better... i see
deasieses, plagues, famine. it seems like aids, cancer, diabedies,
dounsyndrom and all these other things came out not too long ago. there r
more mentally fucked up ppl in the world today than there was 200 years
ago. even sane ppl r suffering with things like ADHD and stuff. this dont
look like evolution to me." "with so much evidence against evolution, or the lack
of evidence to support it i could say that evolutionists are unscientific.
most evolutionists are remarkably closed minded, more so than
creationists. the constant support for evolution even though there has
been no tangeble facts to support it for the last 100 years looks closed
minded to me." "it must be millions of years old, but then the
carbon dating techiniques are only accurate back 30 million years... the
bible account of a flood some 4,000 or more years ago would easily
compensate for the huge shift in carbon levels, and so putting our carbon
dating systems well out." "and then those wonderful gallapogos (cant be arsed
to spell it properly) birds. evolved? nope. they are all finches. they
have not evolved... dont say that im speaking out of my ass, because this
article [from Scientific American, on creationist misconceptions] you have
given me is speaking out of about 50million evolutionists asses, or
however many there are on this planet. the article is FULL of mistakes,
and bad research. if you want me to go through every single point...ask
me. " "many people also have talked about the suns
radiation gradually mutating us throughout time...then why does our bodies
create pigmentation (sun tan) to stop the suns radiation from damaging us?
darker skinned peoples where the radiation is higher (eg africa)...if
radiation helps us to evolve...then why does our bodies fight against
it??" "plus as we get older, our reasoning does not
deteriotate....our capacity for memory can detrioate, but thats only cos
we aint using it. people with alzheimers can easily still reason, even if
they cant remember anything for the whole of there lives accept the day
there living in now..." "i detect a hint of flame..... but then if i wasnt
making any sense this thread would of died long ago. if i was talking crap
you wouldnt need to continue..." "Also, the bible states of humans living close to
1,000 years... if people did live close to 1,000 years, then these rare
fossils you dig up of men that scientists ASSUME had the same lifespan as
us and say they are millions of years old-someone living close to 1,000
years would have a massivly increased carbon level in there bones... and
without the scientists considering this possibility, the date of millions
of years put on these fossils could be massivly out. " "im sure the us navy could build such a vessel. the
point is the wouldnt because they see no need to do so. also, the biggest
US navy aircraft carriers are of a similar size to what the ark was meant
to be, so you are talking bullshit." "and the bible says they landed on mount ararat.
howcome a HUGE wooden wreck has been found atop of this mountain? its the
ark... with the massive inaccuracy of carbon dating systems, it is
entirely possible that these ice ages are what scientists mis-interpret,
and are really the flood... the evidence is all there, but scientists
dissmiss it, because if the bible is *shock horror* correct...then it
would put big doubts over all there work." "there isnt a lack of evidence about the flood, its
just that scientists choose not to acknowledge it, as it would prove much
of our thinking today wrong. and scientists hate to be wrong" "sarcasm isnt going to make your shaky points any
better. you evolutionist ideas are more shaky than bible ones. the reason
is that you do not want to acknowledge the possibility that you are wrong.
if the bible points are so shaky, then howcome i can use them to reply to
everything you have said??" "and not all animals were taken on board the ark...eg
wolly mammoths... and if you read the account where god gives noah the
dimensions for the vessel (ark) then its easily big enough. and then why
is there a HUGE WOODEN VESSEL buried under the snow atop of mount ararat?
its far to big to be carried up there...oh these holes in the account just
arent there! theres plenty of proof... you just dont look at it because
the bible says it happened. i forgot, it isnt 'cool' to belive in the
bible these days." "... it is bloody ignorant to dissmiss all these
findings cos your precious evolution theory maybe wrong if the flood
acocunt is true. because it will put all your carbon dating out, and
therefore all your timescales, and all the fossils will be out... you say
thats rubbish, but its a distinct possibility. dont put so much faith in
something that is so flawed itself. " "i said it could of been held in space, like saturns
rings. it is entirerly possible for the earth to have had saturn-like
rings of ice all around it, and more water in the atmosphere, causing a
warmer climate and less radiation from the sun coming to hit earth. this
could be a factor in the people before the flood supposedly living much
longer." "your talking about [the 750,000 or so species of]
insects....well they wouldnt take up much space in the ark would they?
they could fly around and land on the walls, ceilings ect, like they do in
houses." "if you take the story of the flood as true, and
re-evaluate the history of man, and change the scientific views
accordingly (eg carbon dating systems being well out...), then the flood
account is easily true... you dont want to take into consideration that
evolution maybe wrong... and im not using pseudo science, you are!!" [Explaining how the carnivores would eat on a decimated
post-flood world] "...and grazing animals eat everyday, predators can
go without food for several weeks without a kill...ever watch david
attenbrough programs where a lion doesnt make a kill for ages? also the
possbility of fish left on the land after the water drains away, eaily
enough scavenging food for predators...maybe a whale left somewhere? the
possbilities of food are endless" "there hasnt been a international survey of the area
where the ark is. if there was, then national geographic would feature it.
incidentally, national geographic is run by top scientists, who all make a
lot of $$ by publishing there evolution theories and discoveries in such
publications. there could easily be bias against such an
expidtion..." "not only was a large wooden object found on top of
mt ararat, this object also had alot of traces of a substance called
mortar which the bible said noah used to build the ark (strange
eh????)" "Some people die of cancer or die hours or even
minutes after they are born bcuz God wants them too... It doesn't matter
when you die if you don't accept God your going to hell. Unless you've
never heard of God." "My views are based on the Bible. They need no more
validation than that. The Bible is the Word of God. It is absolute truth.
Stop trying to change that fact, you can't." "Don't you think it's absolutely insulting to man to
say claim that he had been around for millions of years, and yet just
invented the automobile 100 years ago? That may be a bad example, but do
you see what I'm getting at? I mean...do you really think it took man
millions of years for someone to get on a boat, sail to America, and find
out the world is round?" "Also, the ridiculous number of people who would
inhabit earth these days if the universe was more than 6,000 years old...
For example, the population of the United States has doubled over the last
50 or so years... At a rate of doubling every 50 years, the world would go
from 2 people to 8 billion people... in a mere 1600 years!! Can you
IMAGINE if man had been around for 2 million years? Or even half that? Or
even half of half? It's unfathomable. Absolutely unfathomable." "The stay-at-home wife should do it. And since every
wife should be a stay-at-home wife, every wife should do it... The woman's
role is to keep the HOME. Not to earn money, not to make business deals;
she is to keep the home. And if a job keeps her from so much as taking out
the trash (so long as she is physically able), that job is disobedient to
the Bible's instructions on marriage." "You shouldn't make the mistake of thinking that
Biblical PRINCIPLES change over time. The Bible should not be tailored to
conform to society. It doesn't matter what your spouse thinks your role
is. It matters what GOD says your role is." "It still boggles my mind why someone is a Christian
who doesn't believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, at least in its
original manuscripts. It's incomprehensible. You need to get out of this
seminary, now. Drop out. Don't even 'get your money's worth.'" "When I was a teenager, I took all my secular music
records and busted them up in my room with a hammer. Why, cause the lyrics
were not of God, his thoughts, his desires, and promoted witch craft,
perversion, and satan worship." "Isn't this what the atheists and secular humanist
religions are doing? By taking God out of the schools you have to replace
it with something else. So, instead of biblical truths we now have
teachers telling us we were once apes a billion years ago. Your statement
makes absolutely no sense whatsoever." "Actually, we do have the right to judge which lives
to take away. The bible was quite clear to the jews of the O.T. what
behaviors warranted the death penalty (as it were). I don't recall the
practice of putting people to death going away with Christ's arrival here.
He came to fullfill the law, not abolish it. Though we would have a
population crisis if we put all of the adulterer's to death, that does not
mean that if we chose to do so - that it would be unbiblical." "If the Big Bang is a 'normal' scientific occurrence,
why haven't there been any more?" "From my perspective, the two men are saying 'Look
God, we have found a way to enjoy the excitement and pleasure you invented
for men and women without the down-side of rug-rats consuming our time and
spending our money'. I see the life style as selfish in the extreme in
that it consumes for its own enrichment the entire product of its life and
passes nothing on to the next generation because there is none... As for
the argument that 'What people do in the privacy of their bedroom is not
my business' -- this tries to create a see-no-evil zone based on
visibility. But aren’t all crimes and sins hidden as much as possible?
Thieves come in the dark of night -- not at high noon. In conclusion, I
see homosexuality as a selfish escape from human maturity. It is unhealthy
and a financial burden on the society in which it exists." *** Amazing Apologist Logic of the Month *** "Correct [the boy killed by a Christian drunk driver
goes to hell, while the latter goes to heaven]. However, you seem to
forget that God is the One Who determines when a person will die, and if
He allowed the young boy to die in that state, the implication is that he
never would have changed in heart anyway. The man, though sinning by
driving dangerously, is still saved for eternity, since in his heart he is
willing to accept Jesus' offer of salvation. He does lose some rewards,
though. Again, justice and mercy are maintained." "I will allow that he certainly did not deserve to
die, but how many here know that [Matthew] Sheppard grabbed one of those
guys on the a$$, and that he had tried to kiss the other?... Those
rough-necks were so insulted that they led him on a bit, got him out of
the place and into a venue that made him a bit more vulnerable, and
proceeded to give perky Matty boy a little lesson in Wyoming manners...
Was it bad? Yes, it really was. But they didn't want to kill him, and it
wasn't like they chose him -- HE'D chosen his lifestyle and he'd chosen
THEM. The Sheppard story is a masterpiece of leftist propaganda." "What's the matter arthur? Still tick you off that
these red necks in Wyoming were better equipped to fend off some sick and
twisted, disease-ridden, child molesting pervert [Matthew Sheppard] than
all the little boys your ilk likes to intimidate, rape and torture? I
suppose this is why homosexuals like coming onto children more than adults
eh? Children can't fight back right?" "Ah don't worry Arthur... I realize it's hard for you
Marxist buffoons to comprehend logic. ;-) Homosexuals are sick and
twisted, disease-ridden, child molesting, vial, filthy, violent,
disgusting, Christianphobic, abominable perverts and their actions prove
this out EVERY TIME!" "There was no death or suffering before the Fall. If
an earthquake or 'natural disaster' could have occurred which did not
result in any death or suffering, then YEC allows that earthquakes and
'natural disasters' might have occurred before the Fall." [Replying to (paraphrased) 'Christian reconstructionism is
a radical movement which aims to convert the US government into a
totalitarian theocracy under Old Testament law] "Bullwinkle, the
Secular humanist have done this to public schools and universities and
have ruin the last 3 generations with their false doctrine. It is about
time for the Christian to fight back." "The ones who are promoting secualr humnist falsehoods like these: A conviction that dogmas, ideologies and traditions, whether religious, political or social, must be weighed and tested by each individual and not simply accepted on faith. Commitment to the use of critical reason, factual evidence, and scientific methods of inquiry, rather than faith and mysticism, in seeking solutions to human problems and answers to important human questions. A primary concern with fulfillment, growth, and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general. A constant search for objective truth, with the understanding that new knowledge and experience constantly alter our imperfect perception of it. A concern for this life and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us. A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility. A conviction that with reason, an open marketplace of ideas, good will, and tolerance, progress can be made in building a better world for ourselves and our children. This bunch of fools have invaded rhe public schools and
universities and have done so quite well. It has distorted what most on
this board believe to be true. They are liars." "What is practical is that many homosexuals use their
homosexuality as a crutch to protect themselves from real emotional and
spiritual problems. This isn't true for everyone, but for a large amount
it is." "I disagree however that we were tree dwelling apes,
or had a common descendant." "Yes, it would be humanly possible to try and
replicate the Ark, but not even slighly feasible." "The Right Hand... Has anyone else noticed the
right hand on 48 hours Investigates? For some reason I've only now
realized it. Every time it starts, before every commercial, when it
returns from commercial. There it is, the RIGHT hand on the screen." [Replying to 'Eh? What's that have to do with the
endtimes?'] "HOLY BIBLE Revelation 13...[:]16 And he causeth all,
both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in
their right hand, or in their foreheads..." [Replying to 'Still not seeing the connection'] "Propaganda.
I even saw a TV commercial in the past year showing someone with a bar
code on their head. This stuff is done to desensitize us to technology
that could potentially track us." "Thanks Stevangelist, I guess your the only other
person to see the connection besides me." "If I had been living in Sodom I would have been
doing everything I could [lobbying against gay marriage] to keep my city
from burning to hell... that's what I'm doing now...make sense?" [Replying to 'You seriously expect God to burn America for
gay marriage?'] "Well.. He did it to Sodom! It would be ignorance to
say 'aww heck, God wouldn't do anything like that to us!'... this is just
another thing that will lead us into being very displeasing to God, which
is a very bad place to be..." [Replying to 'if I suddenly see Canada, Belgium, the
Netherlands, Denmark... reduced to rubble by Godly wrath, then I will give
your fear some merit'] "I'm not afraid, just giving some of the
possible outcomes... but if you do see that happen, piss your pants
buddy!" "Perhaps you are right. Maybe God had no other choice
except blood sacrifice... You need to look at the character and nature of
God. What is it about God's character that requires Him to ordain a blood
sacrifice?" "God made blood sacrifice necessary because it was
just. It may not suit our human notions of justice, but it isn't our
notions of justice that have to be satisified." "the usual propaganda. If catholics thought that non
catholics were really christians too, this would not even be an
issue." "Now, since none of us were there when it happened,
we can't truely understand God's reasoning behind slaughtering those
people, something to ask when we die maybe. And as I pointed out, he sent
his son to die for us, could this not be an apology, remorse." "i think they [the Crusades] were for the most part
justifiable...we tried to stop muslims from taking over more of the world
and spreading their beliefs... honestly i think it's nearing the time when
another crusades will happen...only much worse" "Also, we have to examine why a couple would
deliberately abstain from having children. Is it so they can save up to
buy a new car or a bigger house? Is it so the woman won't have to quit her
successful career? Is it because the couple can't imagine being burdened
with a child? If so, these are all highly selfish reasons to avoid having
children. The Bible is very clear about rebuking God's will." "And also God made you fertile and you should not
change that intricate part of your body with a chemical [contraceptive].
Surly even as a atheist you would agree that if the ball of cells
splitting and splitting with you having no part to play in ended up the
way it did, who are you to mess with the gods of science that lye in your
body." "I've yet to meet the Christian couple who didn't
want a family. The desire to procreate is instilled in us from our birth.
The desire *not* to have children is programmed into the person's mind.
It's fed by selfish whims, not natural instinct...which leads me back to
the point you disagree with." *** Post of the Week, December 7-13 *** "Because God controls our reproductive health. That
is the whole premise behind the sinful nature of using artificial means to
prevent pregnancy. God would not allow a woman to stay 'barefoot and
pregnant' if she wasn't bodily, emotionally, or mentally prepared to take
on the responsiblity of having many children." "Condoms aren't so much sinful in the sense that they
act as an abortifacient or they alter your body; however, condoms give the
couple a false sense of security that you can be nonchalant about sex.
" "It is a sin to use a condom during intercourse
because ejaculation should not take place outside a man's wife. Bottom
lime." "Yeah, I know, sorry, its just so shocking to see
Lana who made the most convincing oncological arguments for god is
an atheist now." [Emphasis added] *** Unsupported Assertion of the Month *** "Of course they were against freethought, that is a
Judeo-Christian principle!" "No, genocide is the 'punishing' of groups of people
because of who they are and the hateful feelings toward them by
fabricating their crimes. While the Israelites were God's capital
punishers of actual criminals." [Replying to 'every mass murderer says that'] "Yes,
but mass murderers are not omnscient." "From a Christian perspective, demonic activity is
more than sufficient to explain the numerous religions." "You can ask all the brain bending, faith testing
questions you want, but all I will think is (I know you hate this)
'goddidit'. And yes, that is exactly how Christians think about such
things." "LOL, I saw a guy that looked like a Pig at the Post
Office. LOL So why can't there be Lizard people? I think evolution would
back this one up!" "Well if Man came from Ape then Why can't LizardMan
come from an alligator? etc..." "I don't belive I came from a monkey and I know it is
just a way for people to shun there responsability of giving God all the
praise and worship he deserves. What Do You Think?" "how do i know the bible is true... the bible talks
about germs,and washing in running water and covering food to keep germs
off... where are the missing links?seen any talking apes?or humans with
wings?if we all evolved from so called simple cells why are there still
simple cells here?" "One of these days im going to have to debate this
board and put an end to evolution. The astroid is my favorite topic (a
hint of BIG trouble for evolution)" "The laws of thermodynamics prove the big band never
happened. The astoid that supposedly hit the earth was said to have
effected the world worse than ALL the worlds nuclear missles all going off
at once. This astroid burnt the earth and all that was in it to a crisp.
then, molted rock was flung into orbit and back to earth again (Double
death!) burning the earth again! THEN, burning acid rain fell on the
earth, the worse fall in history! Anything that didn't of a shell or tough
skin was going to burn. This theory is impossible!!" *** 'Most Edumacated Creationist' Trophy *** "If the world was burnt to a crisp by a astroid
greater than all the nukes in the world. Then the dinosaurs and everything
died and nothing could have survived. And astroid this big would also
leave a BIG hole somewhere on the earth...there is none. Furthmore, since
there is no evidence that the dino-bones weren't burnt to the crisp, then
i'd say evolution is in big trouble. Acid rain would have also
contaminated the waters and atmosphere, thus, throwing off carbon
dating... The big bang?? Eternal universe??? Think about it..." "Listen, the science channel always has cosmologies
on there. And they all agree with the astroid burning the earth. so im
telling you what your evolutionist force-feed the world on the science
channel. You need to show me evidence that the dinodaurs were all burnt to
a crisp. I'm waiting" "This isn't going to work. None of you are mature
enough to talk professionally... I cannot believe you don't know the
theory of evolution. The astroid theory in evolution is very importent!
Its the only things that provides an excuss for the extiction of the
dinosaurs. If you dismiss the astroid theory, you dismiss evolution. There
is no evidence that the dinosaur bones were ever burnt! And that proves
the astroid theory and evelution academically wrong!" "I just told you popular evolution teachings, taught
on the science channel. This is the theory you have to defend. How many
asteroid theories are you going to use to justify your so-called 'fact.' I
think you like to argue just to prove to other atheist that you cannot
change your view--you are not self-correcting." "When the asteroid hit the earth, the dinosaurs were
all burnt to death... And i know that no bird could have survived, so
there goes the bird theory out the window... Why should i stop there.
Evolutionist claim the universe is eternal; yet they say it was formed by
the big bang. A trillion year old universe is not eternal! So then we go
back to the concept that 'nothing' (which is non-existent) some how
produce something. That is pathetic science.." "The Pope denies Genesis chapter one and two as
literal truth. On page 6, in the 'New American Bible (Saint Joseph
Edition),' You'll see the Popes signature stating he agrees with the
teachings of the NAB. On page 19 under '6. Literary genres or forms,'
you'll see-'b) The Allegory.'... In other words, Jesus Christ is a human
liar and son of a b*tch! Theistic evolution also agrees that the bible is
not literal truth. All this doubt because of Darwin, the messiah." "They've already proven that Rabbits are (by full
definition) cud chewing animals. Biology was academically proven wrong
(again) by the bible." "Lev.11:6 says the rabbit chews the cud. Evolution
biology disagrees. But when we find out that the rabbit re-eats its partly
digested fecal pellets, we find biology in error and the bible
right!" "Do you know anything at all about the 'New Age
Movement' and what it consist of?... Darwin inspired Marx,
Lenin,Stalin,Hitler and Paul Kurtz (author of the American commy liberal
book "Humanist Manifesto 1&2." "Richard Dawkins, teaches... that we who disagree
with evolution are Ignorant, and stupid. Combine this with J.Huxley's
eugenic speach and you have christian prosecution and the mark of the
beast. For christians can avoid prosecution if they accept the mark of the
Darwinian Christ." "Anton LaVey wrote the 'Satanic Bible' in 1969. This
whole book was a materialistic concept of Darwinian evolution. LaVey only
acknowledges Satan has a symbol, yet in the same breath, encourages
satanic worship. Evolution is Satan's established religion. If you play
the Eagles song 'Hotal California' backwards you'll hear, 'Yes, Satan! He
organized his own religion.' Darwin and LaVey agree!" "Evolution astronomers are frustrated because star
measurements say that the stars are older than the red shift measurements
say about the universe. So, if the universe is younger than the stars,
then the universe had a beginning. This info i got from the Science
channel which is evolution run (like most media outlets)." "I am becoming an expert,..even a master in the
knowledge of Evolution. It's you who should study your facts much more
carefully." [Replying to 'the Bible has *real* magic trees and talking
snakes'] "And real volumes about degenerate reprobates and their
eternal destiny." "the Holy Spirit changes you inside.does allah do
that.apparently not.Christians do not think its ok to kill those who are
not christians." "... the calendar has remained basically the same
with some minor changes happening when we went from a Julian to a
Gregorian calendar or vice versa... Its really a miracle if you think
about it and I almost believe that God has had a hand in maintaining the
weekly cycle through the years. Theres certainly no logical reason to hold
onto a 7 day week cycle. A ten day cycle would probably work better but
the fact we have stayed on the present system speaks for a possible
supernatural support of it." "... another reason I think its heretical. The RCC
wants nothing more than more money. They aren't out to bring anyone to
Christ, only to raise finances to fund the Pope's mansion." "There is an apostate religious power which has
existed from antiqueties which is and will enforce the mark of the beast
in the last days. This power is none other than the papal power from Rome.
I can show you right from the Bible how to id it and how its going to come
about in prophecy." "No... it is faith in Jesus Christ that leads unto
salvation and if your bible tells you that it can make you wise unto
salvation [II Tim 3:14ff] you better burn it before it burns you." "Proof of God... I am here to prove that God
dose exsist. No i dont have physical evidence... my churches youth group
went on a retreat this weakend... we started some heavey prayer along with
some very spiritual songs... There were some 40 + people on this
reatreat... Everyone had there own unique experiance. I myself Rested...
There were alot of cryers and a couple of laughers... Everyone that went
up there unsure came back 100% positive that there is a God." "Have you ever experianced it? NO? Then shut up cause
you have no idea what the hell your talking about... Like i said it
[speaking in tongues] sounds like Jibberish but it is not." "as i stated before it wasent actualy scientific
proof. It is proof acording to mine and 40 other peoples experiance that
night. 40 people cant all have been wrong." [Replying to (paraphrased) 'Could all the billions of
non-Christians be wrong?'] "Yes they very well could be." "1 reason why you need God huh? Hell ring a
bell?" "What the hell are you talking about? We dont black
mail anyone we say this to try and convince you that Atheism is
wrong." "Like i said before God cannot be proven with
science. Pluse God has been proven several times in the bible." "Stop saying you need physical proof. Just look
around you. You really belive all of this came from a tiny cell? that is
totaly and utterly bull shit... We are positioned the perfect distance
from the sun. and you think this happend by chance? HA ya right." "The big bang theroy is pretty much disproven. Hardly
any one that actually studies it belives in it. Its obvious it never
happend. When has an explosion ever caused perfict balance? Never! Every
exsplosion know to man has caused chaos and disorder so why should this be
any differint? Pluse if there was some gigantic explosion how come were
not still flying uncontrolable through space if there is nothing to stop
us?" "Ok evolutionist claim the world is billions maybe
evan trillions of years old right? WRONG! First lets look at world
population growth. The world increses at about 2% a year... in one million
years... there would have been 10 (to the 2100 power) people somehow
stacked on this earth." [Replying to (paraphrased) 'where did you get this?!]
"All over. I got over 100 sources but id rather not post them seeing
as how it would take FOR EVER" *** Post of the Week, December 14-20 *** "Ya that book [The Da Vinci Code] is evil. Just
because some of the facts in there are true people are gonna read it and
think all the things about it are true." "Someone posted awhile back, that we should all pray
for the eyes of Americans to be opened to the agenda of the ACLU [American
Civil Liberties Union]. Well, it has been in my daily prayers. My husband
(not saved) Loves the ACLU and we are constantly getting stuff in the mail
from them. YUCK. I have been praying that the eyes of my husband will be
opend to this garbabge ..." "By the time peoples eyes are opened not only to the
ACLU's agenda but other liberal agenda's as well, it will be too late. I
believe that it is already too late. Take a look around. Our country is
only a shell of what it once was. Even with all the patriotic flag waving
and speaches by our President etc etc and yes even with people like Rush
Limbaugh telling us it's ok and good wins out etc..." "Any day now, I'm expecting someone to open a thread
titled: 'BREAKING: Churches must remove all references to Jesus' The ACLU
is paving a wide smooth road to hell for many people." [Replying to the above] "Sadly, this is already
happening. ACLU = Atheists. Communists & Liberals United" *** Bible Bastardization Award *** "Because of Liberals in high places (remeber
ephisians - we fight against evil in high places, and yes, I mean the evil
liberals), in the supreme courts that have everyone afraid." "If there is anyone I could think of in which I would
spit on, it is a member of the aclu! I can't even capitalize their
initials just as I can't and won't capitalize the s in satan!!!" "...that [religious] freedom is being PLUCKED away.
It's fine to talk and learn about Mohammad, Buddah, all the other Pagan
God's..." "im sure Jesus hates the ACLU too...i think i would
rather be on the ACLU's bad side than on Jesus bad side!" "The ACLU has a large number of secular Jews in/on
its staff so the Jesus problem is easily understood in the light of
'spiritual blindness'." "I must start off by saying I do not agree 100% with
this article....but 96.5% is close enough.... [insert lengthy Ann
Coulter-like diatribe about Democrats, saying they're traitors and should
be executed by firing squad on TV]..." "Aww I knew you'd hate it...yet I posted it anyway.
He may be slightly over-generalizing...but not by much." "Throwing up and laughing at the same time [from the
article] sounds painful." "IMO, the dems are at the very least guilty of giving
aide to the enemy. That qualify's them as
traitors...congradulations!!!" "I commend you for it Hayden, honestly... it had to
be said." "I realize that you don't hold treason meetings...at
least none that anyone knows... gaining power off our own casualities [in
Iraq]... that's treason in my book." "I can't believe my common sense is being questioned
by a member of a political party that is trying to do away with common
sense altogether. Common sense is a stumbling block in the path to a
democrat run America...or as dems would probably like to call it Far West
Europe." "actually i have been calling dems power hungry
treasonists for a couple of yrs..... thats ironic that more than one
person thinks that. There must be some truth to it then." "It's me, you, the guy who wrote this article, and
ann coulter. We should start a crime fighting team." "Elektra, if it was just disagreeing with the Bush
administration I'd have no problem...it's the memos, the aide to the
enemy, the disregaard for the safety of our troops, and the lies that are
cuase for concern." [Replying to (paraphrased) 'but Christianity IS a
religion'] "Irish, are you actually a christian? No, you're not, so
how in the hell do you have any idea what you're talking about?" "... saying u used to believe it and now you don't,
that tells me that you never actually believed or understood a thing about
what we're about, and you still don't. Kindly take you arrogant views and
F*ck Off!" "Life isn't fair and it wasn't meant to be. Just suck
it up (deal with the fact that your gay marriage isn't accepted, legally
and/or socially - at this time) and move on..." "Interracial marriages involve a man and a woman, the
legally and socially accepted version of 'marriages.' So based on that,
no, you cannot compare the two as the issue is SAME SEX (at present, the
legally and socially unaccepted version)..." "I mean really, if it was that acceptable then why
don't we have more gays represented on television, radio, movies, etc.?
Sure, we have 'Will & Grace,' but why not 'Jack & John' or 'The
Days of our Gay Lives?' Hmmm...?" "i[t']s basically saying that to give gays the same
benefits and status as heterosexual marriages is tantamount to giving
something of what you earned to another who didn't rightfully earn
it." "The bedrock of marriage has for the better part
always been between a man and a woman, period! Now, if you'd care to prove
otherwise then please feel free to do so. And try keeping it in the
Eurocentric and American perspectives and not some tiny village in South
America or something." [Replying to (paraphrased) 'Unnatural?! Here are some gay
animals'] "At this time are those lesbian monkeys in China making a
legal stand to have their marriage recognized so they can obtain tax and
other benefits?" *** Post of the Week, December 21-27 *** [Replying to 'Homosexuality does not hurt people']
"Tell that to the woman who comes home to find her husband in bed
with another man." [After being made fun of] "Don't you think that
actually addressing the merits of the discussion would be a far more
effective method of argumentation than throwing every curve ball (i.e.,
logical fallacies) you can muster in some foolhardly, yet vain attempt to
discredit that which you clearly cannot do with a valid rebuttal
argument?" "This subject sucks. How the hell are you a christian
yet believe that crap? besides eveloution is so over talked its sick...
You are stupid for bringing this up again. Anyway, whats your damn
problem? We were cave men? yea right! God brought all the animals to Adam
and had him name them. You think a [censored] cave man could name every
animal known to man? Oh and it happened over billions of years? yea that
fits with the 6 days stated in the bible, that was probably a typo right?
If you really are a christian I suggest you actually take some time to
read the Bible." "I can tell you why you believe what you believe. You
believe it because some[one] else told you, because you read it
somewhere... I'd rather believe we were created than believe our entire
civilisation and history is one big accident. You want to be an ape? Be an
ape, I don't care, But I'd prefer not to be an ape if its all the same to
you." "Can you not read or something?... DO you honestly
think that after a complete education in science I have no idea what I
talking about, that I know nothing? I know what Scientists believe, I also
know its Bull Sh!t" "I'm new to the forums but i just wanted to say that
there has NEVER been any proof to the theory of Evolution. A few years
back they thought they had found the 'missing link' but it turns out it
was a fake. With that said I believe that evolution is complete
crap!!!!" *** Alternate Bizarro Universe Award *** "Thousands upon thousands of scientists are
creationists, so that sorta counterballances your few, doesn't it?" "I'm fairly confident that macro evolution... isn't
possible. I mean, no matter how many times you breed a dog, it's not going
to turn into a cat, is it? That's what this kind of theory of evolution is
really saying... Personally, the idea of a God creating everything just
perfectly in the space of a few days quite appeals to me." "... to think that some intelligent bang happened and
spawned a cell and that cell inluenced the nothingness around it to
eventually get to a point where it was a complex being with intelligence
living in a complex world that lives on system and balence not
explosions... Give me a break!! That is more like a fairytale that
scientist told their kids to get them to sleep rather than find the
truth." [After cries of 'strawman!'] "I can see... that you
no longer believe everything I say but that just proves the lack of
security the theory creates, that was the accepted fact a while
ago..." "And you sir are a pompus blustering ignoramus Who
should look more at the original basis of evolution not the latest version
to match your 'facts' Don't just blindly call names mate it doesn't back
up your theory at all!" "Evolution is some mens best guess as to how this
universe around them, which they are realising more and more how little
they know about, was formed and how they fit into that equation and
nothing more." "Cosmology comes from Evolution and so now they are
neately seperated so that you do not have to face the tough question of
where it all came from when you a talking about the origin of man." "... you would be surprised how many scientists are
scrapping the evolutionist (Cosmologist) theory and looking for new
answers... Your theory is not just blindly accepted as fact by everybody
anymore!" "more and more it is seeming to be the
Evolutionists... [are] just changing the theory again to match what they
have found rather than just stopping..... and rather than letting the
theory dictate the facts let the facts dictate the theory." "... I have definately read enough material from both
views over the years, cause like you said if someone is challenging me I
want to know enough to be able to understand where that person is
from." "if I hear about something going on that has
something to do with God or the creation of earth, or talking about
space.(aliens) anyways...When i hear that i go to my Bible and if it
doesnt say anything about that. I dont believe it." "The Earth was made in 7 days. PLAIN AND SIMPLE! And
just to let people know... carbon dating is crap. Lighting strikes create
carbon14,which is used to date objects, so when lighting hits the ground
or an object or the atomsphere, more is creatd, thus you cannot have an
accurate representation of how old something is." "Carbon dating is one of the ONLY ways of trying to
prove evolution. I HIGHLY recommend looking up... Dr. Kent Hovind. He is
an amazing man. He was WILD theories that make you think and I believe he
has hit the nail on the head!" "Just another note... If the God you believe has to
take billions of years to 'create man in His own image' then your God is
retarded." "... I don't really know...I don't believe in
dinasors, but some people have shown me verses in the Bible about them
::shrug:: " *** 'Too Much Tolkien' Award *** "I believe Dinosaurs existed as an amalgamation of
Satan. I dont believe Satan creates anything, but that dinosaurs were
mutations of creatures God made. We see this kind of 'limited' evolution
even today... I think God permitted dinosaurs to be wiped out after the
flood because of what they had become. We have fossils, and you can't
argue with that." "Wait, Doc, now you believe in evolution?? Anyway, I
don't know if dinasors did/still do exsiste...there are some verses in the
Bible that mention dragons that people say might be dinasors, but I really
don't know...and some people say thta they are still around, but I guess
I'm one of those people who have to see things like that... and dude, I
don't think ['that dinosaurs were mutations of creatures God made']
because that would be like evolution..." "Evolution can't be denied, we can see it happening
around us today. What we don't see happening is evolution on a scale that
would in any way account for the existence of the universe." "Nessy? I think there are still dinosaurs around. You
hear stories about large creatures in jungles and stuff, and some-odd
years ago some fishermen caught a dead sea dinosaur of some type (or was
that proven a fake?) [Yes,
it has]. It's quite possible they are still around, since Noah
probably took some onto the ark with him." "What about pirhanas? I dont think they were created
with teeth like that just to tear into seaweed. Same goes for many
creatures. I think Satan can mess with animals like he does with people
who are demon-possessed. He makes them tear their clothes and foam at the
mouth and drives them literally insane. I dunno how, but I think he did
something with the genes of dinosaurs..." [Replying to (paraphrased) 'if dinos never existed, where
did the fossil bones come from?'] "well, some come from pigs,
monkeys, and other animals like whales, and some they don't even
know...they just peice it together...'great art work, where's the
evidence'?" "Fact: Reptiles never stop growing! Fact:before the
flood Peaple lived to be over 900(so how big do you soppose Reptiles would
get?)" [Replying to 'there is no evidence of a global flood']
"...B.S... How do you account for fossils of sea shells being found
on MOUNTIANS?? Do they CLIMB or something? Hey, isn't the math easy? '0
+300 billion years = a rock'" "Are you a Christian? Because your statement about 65
million years ago, kind made me ask.." "Um.. okay, yea, the age thing is a big thing,
because the earth is not that old and scientist's can proove it. Um as for
you being an atheist, you could have never been a Christian in the first
place.. it just doesn't work that way like other religions.. you were just
interested in it, or thought you were a Christian.. No offense.." "To me God exists, so doesn't that mean he does? I
don't know much about evolution, but isn't the whole idea so that we can
make our own rules and deside what is 'right' and 'wrong' for our own
selfs?" "The implications are huge. Once we reach the speed
of light time stops. Once we exceed the speed of light we travel backwards
in time. Reminds me of the verse that says God is light. And God knows the
beginning from the ending. How? He has already been there." "That [Relativity] is actually still just a theory.
Its also one that I've never believed in. Yes, I know the story of how
they had 2 exactly timed clocks, sent one into space and when it returned
it was off by a fraction of a second. ANYTHING could have affected that
clock in space tho.. from atmospheric effects to radiological ones. You
will have a hard time ever convincing me that time is anything more than
point:a to point:b" [Replying to 'I think that "just a theory" is
known as Einstein's Theory of Relativity.'] "And I have never agreed
with that theory, it just doesn't add up right in my mind." "Theory - 'Not derived from experience; speculative;
to form opinions solely by speculation' According to Webster's dictionary.
Meaning; Einstein's theory, however attractive on paper, has never been
proven to be true. It is just that ; a theory. And that's not what I think
it means, that's what Webster's says it is. It isn't truth, until it can
be proven. It doesn't matter how many other 'theories' have been based on
this in the past century it is still a 'theory'. It you based all of you
thruth on centuries old theory, then you should believe in evolution too,
which also cannot be proven." "This 'theory' of his [Einstein's Relativity] has
absolutley nothing at all to do with physics of any type, modern or
ancient, whatsoever. You cannot base ANY proven fact of physics on an
UNPROVEN theory. It can't be done." "Please do not quote me out of context. I said the
THEORY had nothing to do with physics. And you can whip out any old
definition you want, but its still a fact that its a theory and nothing
more. And by the way, I've never heard of gravity being called a theory.
Everyone else I know of considers it to be proven true. Why, just the
other day I fell down." "Are you telling me this 'brilliant' man [Einstein]
thinks gravity is just a (part of his) theory? That would make him
unqualified to date my daughter." [Replying to 'Theory in science means something
different'] "What was it that Bill Clinton said during his
deposition...?" "Cute, but it[Relativity i]s not confusing to me at
all. I just happen to disagree with it." "How can you say this when it is impossible to
'observe' time slowing down in relation to acceleration as velocity
approches C? There IS no 'observed evidence' to cooroborate Einstein's
theory, just speculation and mathematical equations." "Quantum Mechanics in itself is theoretical and
unproven in most of it's suppositions. Modern physics, as you referred to
before are based on Newtonian Physics. Even Einstein relied on Newtonian
physics in his hypotheses. Any theory or hypothesis on the Quantum level
is purely speculative." "If science is not about proving theories or
hypotheses, then why is so much money spent on research to try to prove
these previously mentioned theories?? Millions of dollars are spent every
year on particle accelerators and slowing down light and speeding up light
etc." [Replying to a professional cosmologist summarizing some
practical applications of QM and Relativity, such as the accuracy of the
Global Positioning System] "This thread is becoming a little too
snippy for my liking. I may not be a phycisist but I fail to see what GPS
has to do with light speed and time slowing down. I don't need some little
%&^%*&^ asking where I've been for the past 100 years.
Goodbye." "rhain, how can you say it isn't? There has never
been more signs, ever showing that we are in the last days. It is in the
prophecies that we are being shown the last days. Do some research on it
if you haven't. I am totally convinced we are in the last days, just by
everything that is rapidly happening before our eyes." "as for my beliefs, yeah, i'll keep on believing
them. in regard to your statements, why would i abandon what i believe?
there is so much evidence to it's validity....there's more evidence to the
truth of the Bible than to the existence of adolf hitler,
incidentally." "Hallowe'en has, since it's inception by the druids
in northern Europe, been a special holiday for human sacrifices to satan.
It continues the same in our day. The sudden epidemic of harmful
substances and objects being placed in the various Hallowe'en treats for
'trick or treaters' is no accident. It was carefully planned by satanist.
The children injured and killed by thede treats are sacrifices to
satan." [On the Da Vinci Code, a best-selling book that includes
Jesus' fathering a child with Mary Magdalene] "I wasn't aware that
everytime somebody used their imagination to write a novel, that we should
all of a sudden take their fiction to be historical truth... with no
evidence either explicit or implicit to back any of these wild unsupported
hypotheses." "Plus you run into the problem Troylus touched on.
Here you have a young Christain child growing up all their life thinking
Santa is a real being, their parents said so; and then they finally figure
out it is a sham, well the next logical step of course is applying that
line of nikolodean thinking to the existence of God or the historical
person of Jesus." *** 'Your God Would be Proud' Prize *** "Hey Zulu, dump a gallon of gas over your head; and
light yourself on fire... I think you will find that after your death;
this was good practice for your soul." "Mormonism isn't a 'flavor' of Christianity. It's an
occult." "It [talking with God] 'feels' just like you are
talking to anyone else. Sometimes you don't 'feel' anything at all, you
feel very alone. Sometimes you feel very close to God." "This topic comes up over and over and over... Would
it be possible to start a new forum; and name it accordingly? Something
like 'God Haters R Us' or 'We Are All Going To Hell'? Maybe one of you
elite could get IH [the administrator] to hook that up for ya!" "The character of Gandalf is presented as a
trustworthy, fatherly, heroic, warrior on the on the side of good...but
when he fights "evil" wizards, he is using the same means they
are - he is using magic that God calls 'abomination': [insert some Bible
verses]... God says that all wizards are an abomination to Him...LOTR
claims that some wizards are good. I'm going with God on this one." "Can't say I know much about harry potter, but it
would seem you could try the things in that story at home, spells and the
like. Whereas lotr is clearly fantasy..." "I am as much against HP as I am LoTR. Both have
magic, both have elves and fairies and all that jazz. We aren't to have
anything to do with demonology (Which faeries and elves fall under) nor
are we to have anything to do with Sorcery (Gandalf ring a bell? he's a
warlock)." "... she [the author of Harry Potter] is a high
preistess in wicca, which is witchcraft. All of her spells in the books
are accurate. Because of her books, many many children, teens and adults
have become Wiccan or NeoPagans. You do the math" "You say 'good' triumphs in the end? What you call
good, God calls abomination...there are no good wizards, according to
God... Gandalf & Co. unabashedly practice witchcraft and this is
presented as a GOOD thing...how can I take pleasure in that?" "Star Wars is somewhere between Judaism and New Age
Buddist/Taoist teachings when it comes to the force. As of right now, I
haven't seen anything wrong with it as it doesn't promote it as a
religion. Flintstones? Gimme a break... The smurfs-- Yes. It has a
warlock. Xmen, No... these are people who have genetic mutations. Clear
difference from magick." "No But LoTR glorifies the warlocks, the elves and
faeries. Those are what the people of the glenns and highlands used to
worship before they were brough to Messiah. Believe it or not, people
STILL worship Faeries, elves and such. It's a very central part of
Pagansim, Wicca and Druidism. The central theme that I find throughout
LoTR is that Druidism and Wicca are OK." "Fiction isn't bad, so long as fiction does not
center around TRUE pagan beliefs as witchcraft and elves, faeries and
warlocks/witches. Those are true things-- elves and faeries-- they're
manifestations of demons." "I agree with HeIsEnough. LOTR is pure fantasy taking
place on a fantastical world with unreal characters. While Gandalf is
cool, he is also not the main character or hero. HP [Harry Potter] is a
kid, a real kid from a real world taken away to become a witch/warlock and
made a child hero because of his abilities in the craft. He then has
adventure after adventure. What kid wouldn't want to be HP???" "From someone who has been witnessing with pagans,
This is one of those very problematic areas. It DOES glorify magick and
the faeries and elves which, as I said before- are manifestations that
demons like to take. " "Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and 'Snow white' were
all three REAL historical people whose lives were embellished. No witches
involved, just benevolent G-dmothers." "And Yes, there are 'elves'-- they're demons. Guess
you've not had much contact with pagans lately." "THERE ARE NO ELVES! Elves are fairy tale creatures
of stories. They are no more real than Medussa or Jabba the Hutt!...
People get locked up in padded rooms for things like that." [Note: to fully understand the irony of the above post considering the author's own beliefs, refer back to February's edition and do a search for "storehouses of snow".] "Having done one on one witnessing with people who
have had contact with demons, who do manifest as such things as faeries
and elves.. I can tell you differently." "As adult Christians, LOTR, HP etc will have little
affect on us, but to little kids its TERRIBLE. Satan has desensitized our
culture. He has made it so we allow our children to read HP books. Satan
loves to get us doubting Gods infallible Word. Satan loves to get us
adults thinking these movies are ok, so we let our children watch it...
Can you imagine what Jesus would have said to one of the apostles if they
had said, 'Hey Jesus, you should go watch this magician at the Jerusalem 8
Cinema, and bring along some children, this guy is a good magician. He
wears a white robe'." "Neither of you have a problem with the title of the
new movie? Lord of the Rings, Return of the King." *** 'Reality Mimics Parody' Award *** "Just asking. Im a fundamentalist, It makes me sick
that there is a movie that says Return of the King and Jesus isnt the main
topic." "The hoops I jump through now defending orthodox
xianity is nothing compared to the hoops that many will be jumping through
when they cry, 'But when were you hungry and needed food; and thirsty and
needed drink; and sick and in prison and needed visitation?'" "hello........uh.....im new 1. where did all the matter in the universe come
from? *** Post of the Week, December 28 thru January 3 *** "If you can quote one Biblical passage that proves
God doesn't exist, or Jesus didn't come from God or that the moral
standard didn't come from God then I will start to think about what you
are saying." "There's no rational foundation for any natural
phenomena apart from a supernatural first cause." "As I said recently somewhere, probably in this
thread, without any scientific knowledge, the evidence for God is apparent
in the creation. With scientific knowledge, the evidence only gets more
overwhelming, despite what the naturalists would have us believe." "How bout some news articles? EVOLUTION PROVEN TRUE
and communism works. Evolution True is an oxymoron." "Thats your evidence? the so called 'Un-biased news'..........I got the coolest newspaper right here in front of me, its over 4,000 years old, and even tells what will happen tommorrow...good |